[Flipside]

Perhaps, but at the end of the day he's been found guilty and sentenced for a 1984 Orwellian 'Mind Crime'.
Though I agree that paedophilia needs to be dealt with, one way or another, the possibilities that emerge from this are frightening.

[an0n]

They're not out to catch every paedophile on the net.

They're out to show that even if you're ****ing stupid enough to role-play with you wife as a paedophile (which, in most ways is just as bad) then you'll get ****ed up.

Going on chat-rooms and even pretending to cyber with 13 year olds shows a level of depravity which deserves to be punished.

And I stand by my totally random claim that it'd be near impossible to set someone up.

[kasperl]

that claim does seem a bit too random, i could fabricate a nice little log of a guy named "an0n" cybering with a 10 year old boy, annd if i included a 0height/0width iframe in a PM to you, i could get your IP fairly easily too.

[an0n]

Yep, we could even fake a transcript of DragonClaw doing some gay role-playing with KT.

But it'd probably be quicker to just copy-paste them from my logs.

[Rictor]

Originally posted by an0n
Going on chat-rooms and even pretending to cyber with 13 year olds shows a level of depravity which deserves to be punished.

Bull****. There is a difference, a huge ****ing difference, between thinking about doing something and doing it.I can almost guarantee that you, and most people here for that matter, have at times looked a chicks which were legally underaged, and found them to be incredibly hot.

Why the hell do you think there are so many "barely legal" porn sites out there. Obviously, these girls look the same a day before turning 18 and a day after. But when the calendar shows their birthday, it magically becomes OK for you to like them.

Its very taboo and ****, but no one can fully explain why. If I'm 20, and I go date a 16 year old, it would be pretty much OK. No one would give me dirty looks or anything. But if I'm a 35 year old doing the same thing, all of a sudden you're a deviant and a lunatic. Her (or his in some cases) age remains the same, all that has changed is the discrepancy between the two ages.

You sound like a 45 year old house-wife for ****s sake.

[karajorma]

An0n how hard do you think it would be to hack into the website and put up false details? The fact that this website has set itself up as a place where vigilantes will go to look for people to beat up means that you don't need to stay undiscovered for long to put someone you don't like in the ****.

Hell lets forget the who setting someone up angle and go for the lesson you should have learnt from the News of the World's dreadful "name and shame" campaign a couple of years back.

What happens if you happen to look a little like someone named on the website and live close to him? You telling me that there isn't any chance you're going to get a beating meant for the other guy?

[Flipside]

Hers an interesting article, I'm still working through it myself, there are pro and cons here that will probably take a bit of thinking about before I have an opinion though....

http://portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/07/26/nsex26.xml

[Kazan]

an0n refuses to believe that anyone who is "looking out for the children" is capapble of err

Vigilante tend to hurt anyone BUT the guilty

[TheCelestialOne]

Originally posted by Kazan
Vigilante tend to hurt anyone BUT the guilty

Who cares? As long as it hurts!;)




Damn, Tiara's evilness is starting to rub off on me

[an0n]

No, I refuse to believe anyone could be stupid enough to 'ere on the side of caution' when it comes to hunting paedophiles.

Bull****. There is a difference, a huge ****ing difference, between thinking about doing something and doing it.I can almost guarantee that you, and most people here for that matter, have at times looked a chicks which were legally underaged, and found them to be incredibly hot.

That is completely and totally irrelevant. This isn't a case of them seeing someone whose age they are unaware of, and thinking they're hot. This is a case of them specifically looking for 13 year olds because they want to have sex with children.

And there is no ****ing difference between thinking something and doing it. If people think they can get away with something completely without consequence, they'll ****ing well do it. And allowing people to even think about ****ing kids is just asking for trouble.

For example, say a huge ****ing genie pops up the next time you clean your monitor and bellows "Thou shalt have any woman thy desire and she shalt give herself willingly and she shalt hath no memory the next day" most people in their (questionably) right mind would go "Halle Berry!" and not think anything of it. You'd instantly go from 'in my head' to 'in my bed' at the soonest opportunity. And it's the same with paedophiles. If they see some little kid and think they can get away with it, they'll snatch the poor bastard and rape them half to death.

It's an unfortunate facet of human nature and only mentally damaged people such as myself are capable of refusing to act according to such questionable instincts.

[TheCelestialOne]

Originally posted by an0n
And there is no ****ing difference between thinking something and doing it. If people think they can get away with something completely without consequence, they'll ****ing well do it.

Wrong.

If you think about something illigal and "think" they can get away with it doesn't mean they'll actually do it. It's called a concience.

But then again, you lack just that

[an0n]

If thinking and doing are independant, how come conspiracy to commit murder is a crime?

[TheCelestialOne]

Originally posted by an0n
If thinking and doing are independant, how come conspiracy to commit murder is a crime?

con·spir·a·cy    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (kn-spîr-s)
n. pl. con·spir·a·cies
1. An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.
2. A group of conspirators.
3. Law. An agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime or accomplish a legal purpose through illegal action.
4. A joining or acting together, as if by sinister design: a conspiracy of wind and tide that devastated coastal areas.

It's agreement. Hence action has already been taken. Thinking of it does not constitute "conspiracy".

[an0n]

Well taken like that, role-playing could be taken as a practice run for an actual paedophilic 'grooming'.

[Rictor]

First of all, I do not remember the article mentioning that he was in a pedo chat room. It could have been a normal sex chat, which is perfectly fine, both morally and legally. The fact that he asked a/s/l indicates that he was not specifically looking for youngters.

As for your assertion that there is no difference between thinking someting and doing it, well, two simple facts stand in the way of your arguement, aside form the fact that I don't find Halle Barey to be amazingly attractive. Number 1, I never clean my monitor. And Number 2, a slightly less important one, is that genies don't exist.

If they did, I can not even imagine the state the world would be in, or if it would exist at all. I have at times thought of killing myself. Not 'cause I dislike my life, but just a wierd random thought. Like when you're at the top of a building, and just think how easy it would be to fling yourself off. Now, take an educated guess, did I follow up on that idea?

I have at times thought to killing people. Probably, everyone has. But the vast majority of people don't do anything other than think it. If I'm hearing you correctly, you think that merely thinking of murdering someone is a crime in and of itself. Minority Report and 1984.

If people could get away with it, who knows what they'de do. But they can't, so they don't. If you are tye type of person who would murder or rape or whatever, knowing you won't get caught, then you are likely to try it anyways, despite the fact that you could indeed be caught.

[TheCelestialOne]

Originally posted by an0n
Well taken like that, role-playing could be taken as a practice run for an actual paedophilic 'grooming'.

Take it to the court. Unless you have an complete incompetent idiot for a judge you'll never get it proven that thinking of murder is illigal.

Else, I'd be on death row for thinking of killing my French teacher... and math teacher... and the principal... and my boss... and Osama Bin F'ing Laden.

I'm conspiracyman[/u]!!!

[an0n]

The type of people who think about killing and raping and ****ing kids deserve to die. Simple as that.

And the only reason they don't do it is a simple fear of being caught. That their lives would be irrevocably ****ed if they did it. This, incidentally, is also why you won't jump off a building.

But thinking about it shows a level of mental ****ery that should at the very least be beaten out of you, and at most (in the case of paedos) result in your untimely, violent, torturous death at the hands of a lynch mob.

[TheCelestialOne]

Originally posted by an0n
The type of people who think about killing and raping and ****ing kids deserve to die. Simple as that.

And the only reason they don't do it is a simple fear of being caught. That their lives would be irrevocably ****ed if they did it. This, incidentally, is also why you won't jump off a building.

But thinking about it shows a level of mental ****ery that should at the very least be beaten out of you, and at most (in the case of paedos) result in your untimely, violent, torturous death at the hands of a lynch mob.

I never said I disagree with that I just think your arguments were flawed.

[an0n]

Obviously.

All my arguments are flawed. Because I type out a train of thought, but the idea I'm trying to get across comprises a whole rail network.

[TheCelestialOne]

Originally posted by an0n
Obviously.

All my arguments are flawed. Because I type out a train of thought, but the idea I'm trying to get across comprises a whole rail network.

Doesn't it always?