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Offline an0n

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The US Armed Forces are NOT the best in the world.

The only reason the US dominates in military engagements is overwhelming numerical superiority and plenty of British-designed technology.

And I cite Iraq as an example. While America was still trying to find it's ass with both hands and RADAR, the British troops were already moving on Iraq forces.
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Britain, depite all it's political pecularities, has a tendancy to move as a nation to support international policy, at least based on what I've seen.  They may whine and ***** about it, but they do it.

America is being destroyed by politicians who belive that if they divide the populace into tight little boxes and tell each little group exactly what they want to hear, that they'll gain political power.  And by and large, they are right, but at what cost?
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you are true to the politicians in the USA.
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America is not a universal beneficiery, though.... and sometimes rests on it's laurels far too much.

NB: Germany in WW1 was losing - the British blockade of German shipping had reduced to troops to eating what amounted to wheat.  The US intervention  - whilst helpful - almost certainly did not alter the course of the war, but possibly did speed it up.

The US isolationist policy - withdrawing from the League of Nations - was a direct contributory factor in the failure of that organisation.  Particualrly as it had been the idea of the US in the first place.

America also made a massive amount of money by selling arms to the UK - at one point sending a warship to collect the last gold Britain had, from a colony in Africa.

So don;t think that the US should be hailed as a messiah by the rest of the world for doing the right thing and eventually joining WW2.  Gratitude - yes.  Unquestioning loyalty - no.


about WWI French lines were broken and US soldiers were sent in time to stop the advance just in time onto Paris.  but the thing is we made a mistake If the US had integrated the army into the allied forces it would have been a swifter and decisive victory.  US soldiers didn't see much but it added morale to your troops.

Also about Breshnev in the Soviet union.  The only good premiers were Khrushchev (partly) and Gorrbachev. Breshnev however could have been agressive if had not for military buildup in Western Germany.
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to rate the strength of a military you must multiply quality by quantity. if army Red has twice as many tanks as army Blue, but army Blue's taks are twice as good as army Red's (ie for every one army Red kills Blue kills two), then Red and Blue are equal in strength.

to rate a contry in any sence, I think you must look at three defineing charicteristics:
1) economy
2) population
3) military strength
all three of these items are equaly important (though relateing them quantitivly to each other is somewhat hard to determine). what you are trying to determine in rateing may make a sloight scope change, but you'r still going to look at these three features, and oftine they relate to each other.
to rate the "greatness" of a contry, I'd say you'd need to look at:
1) economic stability - are there job, do they export more than they import and by how much
2) liveing standard - are the people literate, what's the GNP, cival liberties
3) military - how well can they protect 1 and 2 from someone who'd like to come in and rape them

if you want to gauge a contry's strength/importance, I'd say you'd need to look at
1) how much of the planet's total population do they represent
2) how much of the planet's work do they do
3) how capable are they to ether defend themselves or atack others
in this respect, I generaly think America is roughly equivilant to China, and (all of it, though they might be slightly higher in total) Europe(lets through Japan and Astralia in there too), Russia (not counting it in europe) is less than half, probly closer to a fourth of any one of the big three (USA, China, and Europe), and all of the rest of the world combind (Africa, South America, ect; and this is mostly becase they arn't organised as a cohearant power) would probly reach about one of the big three in terms of strength/importance.
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Originally posted by Bobboau
to rate the strength of a military you must multiply quality by quantity.


Quantity is a quality of its own :)

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that was sort of what I said
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USA military good?   From what I have noticed (Prior Marine going to the AF to be a PJ) The personal sucks.  I have met some of the most lazy people in the world.  I am sure there are other, stronger, more military militarys out there.

They may not be the best, but quality says something.  Look at Delta, SAS, ect...
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Offline Bobboau

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maybe, but we have better bombs and more of them, we have both technological and numerical superiority, though, I will admit some of our personel may be mediocer
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Offline Rictor

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This thread was sort of intended to get people to read the article, which I thought was quite interesting and chock full of [l]heady goodness[/l] useful, though I would say unknown to most, information.

How many of you actually took the five minutes to read it? Instead, we've got a marginally more intelligent version of

"US suxxors! NO US ROXXORS"

err. I apologize to those who have read the article and have discussed intelligently on the issue. Sort of pissed right now, not your fault.
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Offline Knight Templar

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Originally posted by an0n
The US Armed Forces are NOT the best in the world.

The only reason the US dominates in military engagements is overwhelming numerical superiority and plenty of British-designed technology.

And I cite Iraq as an example. While America was still trying to find it's ass with both hands and RADAR, the British troops were already moving on Iraq forces.


-Specifically?

-How many more troops did the US have to mobilize than the UK?
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hmmm, if tommorow Tajikistan were to proclaim their supremacy over makind, I'd say, prove it, and not give a damn what they thought so long as they didn't do anything to me, and if they did, I'd be mad at them for what they did not what they thought of themselves.
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
-Specifically?

-How many more troops did the US have to mobilize than the UK?
The point is, they didn't mobilise any. They had all the troops poised to attack then just sat around while the Iraqi's strengthened their positions and the UK screamed at them to attack.

The UK was like "Dude, look, Saddam! Shoot him!" and the US commanders were like "Buh? Who? Where? Oh, right. We'll have our tanks rolling in about a week." then the UK was like "Oh, for **** sake. Y'know what, screw you. We'll do it".
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UK rawks. :yes: :D


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These the same brits that spent 3 weeks outside Basra afraid to go in?

 

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Afraid? It was because our army would rather not slaughter innocents in the middle of a firefight.
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So they bombed and  shelled it instead?

 

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I'm betting that was american bombing.

I see nothing overly bloody about the shelling.
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The MoD admitted cluster munitions were fired into the city of Basra by AS-90s.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,966716,00.html

Bombing was carried out by both airforces.