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Offline pyro-manic

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:lol: Sounds nasty....

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bull**** there not american citizens. There treated just like every other pows the americans have captured since ww1 and 2. None of the germans in ww2 had some sort of US rights given to them


What?? I think you need to go and read the Geneva Convention.
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Sucks to be you!
lol wtf

 

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Guys, I'm not supporting the law, but this decision isn't something new; it just now applies to your home.  Cops have been able to do it in your vehicles for decades.  They're allowed a search of your car within arms reach, which anyone knows is basically the entire cabin of a car (without going into further detailed searches of opening door panels or whatnot).  All they need is probable cause.  There was a case in which an officer pulled over a driver who was under the influence of narcotics.  They conducted their search and came upon a pack of cigarettes.  They opened the pack of cigarettes and found a large amount of drugs packed into it.  At court, the defense disputed that the search was unconstitutional as it went further than legal, but was upheld in appeals as the officer had probable cause and intent.

Second, they have to have a reason to be in your home in the first place.  They won't just show up and do a search without having to be there in the first place (although this could be abused I'll wager)  Consider this argument:  An officer is called to a domestic dispute where both mates are clearly agitated.  A cursory search of the home could help the officer determine either the extent of the dispute (is there a rifle right behind that closet door?), or the degree of everyones safety.

Anyway, yeah I think it could be abused if not regulated.  But, it's just not something new.
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Yes, HYPOTHETICALLY.

In theory there's no difference between theory and practice. In practice, however, there is a difference.

Its rather odd for a state court to blatantly go against the Constitution. They state judiciary knows the contents of the instrument as well as a federal judiciary. Knowing that something like that invites a trip to a state appeals court, a circuit appelate court and possibly a trip to DC to do the song and dance with the SCOTUS.

In light of that, its pretty damnably odd.


not that odd. IM sure you have heard of the 9th circut court of appeals ;P the stuff that court hands down makes this look like candy
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:lol: Sounds nasty....



What?? I think you need to go and read the Geneva Convention.


Read my post again. I said US rights. Non-US citizens dont have US rights. In this case, these prisioners have none of the rights we americans get. When ppl ***** about these terrorists not being givin rights we americans have; thats cuz they dont get the rights we americans have. They get the rights stated in the convention or other treatys.

Its to bad were just about the only ones on the planet that actually treat our prisioners the way the Geneva convention states.
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:lol: Sounds nasty....



What?? I think you need to go and read the Geneva Convention.


:nod:

As far as I can tell, the reason the Guantanamo inmates are classified as 'illegal combatants' is simply so their Geneva convention rights can be ignored.

It's seems the response to a threat to democracy appears to be to tear up the fundamental principles of that democracy.  It'd be *almost* laughable (for me), were it not being repeated in the UK........

 

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It's seems the response to a threat to democracy appears to be to tear up the fundamental principles of that democracy.  It'd be *almost* laughable (for me), were it not being repeated in the UK........


fundimental principles of democracy? u mean those in the constitution right? so far there hasnt been a Democratic Manifesto written, so if were going by the standard of democracy for the last 220 years aka the Constitution, that still leaves the terrorists unafected by it.... :doubt:
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fundimental principles of democracy? u mean those in the constitution right? so far there hasnt been a Democratic Manifesto written, so if were going by the standard of democracy for the last 220 years aka the Constitution, that still leaves the terrorists unafected by it.... :doubt:


Isn't their something in the constitution about the right to a fair trial & due process?

 

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As far as I know, the illegal combatant status was invented during WW2, to prosecute 4 German spies who infiltrated American soil. Doesn't it seem odd to anyone that even during the Bigass Was, only 4 people to charged with bieng enemy combatants, while **** and Ashcroft are now using this with total impunity.

The right of due process is just that, a right. Military tribunals are simply an elaborate form of execution. And when even they decide they can't prosecute a case, then you KNOW something is wrong.

 

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Especially when the five brits who were held were released within a day once they were allowed out of there. As I keep stating one of them was picked up in a taliban jail where he was sent for being a British spy.

Seriously Drew can you give me any plausable explaination for that?
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NB:  Geneva convention;
http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/91.htm

Look at the latter part of Article 3 (RE: red cross access)
Also (one of) the article 4 definitions for a combatant
"6. Inhabitants of a non-occupied territory, who on the approach of the enemy spontaneously take up arms to resist the invading forces, without having had time to form themselves into regular armed units, provided they carry arms openly and respect the laws and customs of war."

And, well, there's a lot else.  Specifically stuff regarding the conditions the POWs are held in, and what information they are compelled to give.  Much of which explains why the US decided the Geneva convention would be a bit too much of a hassle........