[Kazan]

this is a thread explicity for democrats - it's not for debate between Dems and Republicans - ok?


All the Dems here get ahold of your local Party HQ, state Party HQ, the DNC - As many people in positions as possible - YOUR REPRESENTATIVES TO THE CONVENTION ESPECIALLY

Tell them to SACK KERRY - He's a weak candidate and will not win.  They should have NEVER shafted Dean.

Dean is CLEARLY different from **** - he can fire up a crowd, has the balls to propose things, etc.  Tell them to drop Kerry and pick up Dean - the key to defeating **** is dissimularity

[an0n]

You're using a forum full of 8 year olds to start a political coup?

You fool. You poor fool.

[Rictor]

If we're all 8 year olds, you're still crapping your pampers so keep quiet. Perhaps if you were to venture out into the big bad Net more often, you'de appreciate how mature everyone 'round here, except ofcouse for the obligatory Avril hate topic which I personally do not object to.

I don't live in the States, so I have marginally less of an effect on US politics than citizens. But I'de say, if Dean was to be your man, why not Kucinich or Sharpton. Dean is certainly better than Kerry, but IIRC he did vote both for the war in Iraq and for the PATRIOT act....

[Unknown Target]

Um, an0n? Most of the people here are 15-25.
Reaaal smart

[JarC]

ROFL...kids arguing bout politics...who knows, by shear luck you might even get a decent prez this time...gawd knows you lot deserve one

[Kazan]

Rictor: dean COULDN"T Vote for the War or the PATRIOT Act - he was the Government of Vermont and he doesn't support either

[Lonestar]

You all honestly beleive that a vote will change things? You think people decide who will lead the US? LOL, if this is what the Democrats beleive, maybe the world isnt that bad off after all!

[IceFire]

Not that I'm American and not that I can vote but I like Kerry's chances (I watch American politics a fair amount as well).  Dean seemed a little too excited at times and that obviously hurt his campaign...although it seemed a little bit much how quickly he went from number 1 to almost last place so quickly.

Politics are soo messed up anyways.

We'll be having our Federal election about the same time as you guys I imagine and we've got to choose between Martin and the Liberal party (essentially similar to the Democrats) or Harper and the Conservative party (essentially the Republicans)...the Liberals have been in power for 10 years, have some serious corruption charges against them, but they are a much better national alternative than the new Conservative party which is currently made up of right winged radicals from the old Reform party.  So same problem you guys have....rock and a hard place.  Except we don't have the so strongly established party lines that you guys seem to have

Even so...Kerry I think has a pretty good chance.

[Su-tehp]

Originally posted by Lonestar
You all honestly beleive that a vote will change things? You think people decide who will lead the US? LOL, if this is what the Democrats believe, maybe the world isnt that bad off after all!

I have to believe it. Otherwise I would become as cynical as you, Lone.

And I like you, but I don't like you THAT much, Lone.

And Kazan, the Democratic primaries are pretty much over; there's no one else left to stand against Kerry. Who else would you nominate? Kerry's the only candidate left standing.

[Rictor]

Icefire: Liberals have it for sure. Not only because Canadians are generally left-leaning, a fact which the recent war has done nothing to negate. but also cause Joe Clark recently "endorsed" Martin by saying he would rather see him as PM than Harper. Besides, over here democracy actually means something (not much, but more than the States).

Lonestar: more or less, yeah. For the past 50-ish years, the candidate with the biggest budget has always won, without fail. No reason to think that would change. With something like 98% of the country using electronic voting, any sembelance of democracy goes down the drain (Diebold & Co.). And even if that weren't true, you've got the media issue to contend with, as well as the fact that both candidates are ****ing Bonesmen. And then you have the Saudis saying they'll lower the price of oil to suport ****, various "business interests" and the Supreme Court.

Its not a good time for democracy right now.

[Flipside]

Well, I suppose the only thing I would say is look at the whole team, not just the leader. In other words, it's not just a question of ****, it's the whole collection of them, from Colin Powell (And that CO-LIN, not CO-LAN, dammit), who is probably the most moderate of the bunch, to Rumsfield, who even **** Senior wouldn't let anywhere near his cabinet!

I would expect that Mr ****'s cabinet has a massive say on Mr ****'s policy, and the same will be true of Kerry.

That's my 2 British pennies worth

You know, this place is going to be lit up like an effing galaxy with stars as we get closer to the electiobs

[ionia23]

I can't see any purpose to a thread like this other than to start a fight.

[Kosh]

Dean stood no chance of winning. They're both about as dishonest.

[Rictor]

Not true. There was a significant difference between Dean and Kerry.

Flipside: yeah, Dubya couldn't think his way out of a wet paper bag. Its  Cheyneyand Rummy who are running things. Not to mention the vast, vast assortment of neocons, Likudnik cheerleaders, ex-Reaganites and other "policy makers". Also, please don't mention Powell's name in the same sentence as the word moderate. He's anything but, its just that he has a way of putting a smily face on the whole affair, similar to Clinton.

[Shrike]

Originally posted by Rictor
Icefire: Liberals have it for sure. Not only because Canadians are generally left-leaning, a fact which the recent war has done nothing to negate. but also cause Joe Clark recently "endorsed" Martin by saying he would rather see him as PM than Harper. Besides, over here democracy actually means something (not much, but more than the States).

No, the Liberals have it because they are the only party that isn't a regional party.  Even the Conservatives are mostly western.  There is no real alternative to the Liberals.

[vyper]

Until 2 days ago i was on your side Kaz, then i studied the taxation on my future small business venture.

I'm now a right winger.

[Kazan]

ionia23: your a retard then

kosh: not true at all


The primaries work just like the final - you are really electing electors - who still have the option to rebel

Dean > Kerry

vyper: you're willing to sacrifice the constitution because you want to pay less it taxes - how dispicable

$100 out of a business owners pocket doesn't hurt them as much as $100 out of a blue collar workers pocket

[Rictor]

Originally posted by vyper
Until 2 days ago i was on your side Kaz, then i studied the taxation on my future small business venture.

I'm now a right winger.

If I had a dollar for every time this happened, I'de be a right-winger.

Stay the hell away from my irony money you filthy Commies.

[Shrike]

Originally posted by Kazan
ionia23: your a retard

Kaz, I said it before.  Cool it down.  This is not your personal playground and your general behavior in recent politics has put you very close to not playing here at all.  Stop insulting people who don't agree with you.

[Nuclear1]

This is the same Dean who did this in Iowa? If the dude gets some rehab and anger management, he might be able to replace Kerry.

By the way, neither has a chance anyway. Kerry's a notorious liar, extremely anti-war (not just Iraq, but most wars America's been in, including 'Nam), a wussy would thinks saying he earned a Purple Heart for getting a little booboo in Vietnam is anything worth mentioning (just for the record, he threw that medal away shortly after the war), and all around a retard.