[Rictor]

Originally posted by Goober5000
No; about the only conservative things Bush has done are 1) the tax bill and 2) the abortion bill.  The Iraq "war" isn't.Well, the Libertarians are on a perpendicular axis to the traditional right-left spectrum, so you can find them on either side of the issue.

Thats right, cause we all know that liberals are hardcore warmongers. What about the anti-gay marriage crap spewing from the White House, or the environmental laws, or more importantly, foreign policy.

[SadisticSid]

Originally posted by Kazan
Pro-life isn't about saving babies - it's about MISOGYNY under the guise of saving babies - you could just be one of the victims of the brainwashing that don't realize it

As opposed to the brainwashing of the pro-choice wing - namely the myth that somehow women have to choose between an abortion or death by childbirth.

EDIT: Back on topic, I'd like to see **** gone. His presence at the head of the US does not bode well for global conservatism IMO - the whole Iraq thing was based on what becomes more and more certain every day the myth of WMDs.

[Flipside]

oooops, hit reply in wrong thread, ignore me

[heretic]

Originally posted by SadisticSid

EDIT: Back on topic, I'd like to see **** gone. His presence at the head of the US does not bode well for global conservatism IMO - the whole Iraq thing was based on what becomes more and more certain every day the myth of WMDs.

WMDs were not the reason we went into Iraq. Violation of resolution 668 is one of them.


The only reason the Security Council wasn't all for it was because France and Russia were getting kickbacks from the Oil for Food program.

[Kazan]

Originally posted by SadisticSid
As opposed to the brainwashing of the pro-choice wing - namely the myth that somehow women have to choose between an abortion or death by childbirth.

If you think women cannot die in childbirth than you're A) denying history B) denying medical science

therefore you are C) a moron for denying reality of your own petulant volition

[Gank]

Originally posted by heretic
WMDs were not the reason we went into Iraq. Violation of resolution 668 is one of them.

Sorry mate, you cant rewrite history just because you were wrong.

[Kazan]

Sorry heretic - it's well documented by every media sources how many different excuses schrubya gave, all of which were bull****

[Goober5000]

It's an undisputed fact that the WMDs were there at some point.  I'm far more worried about the fact that we can't find them... who knows whose hands they ended up with.

[Kazan]

Goober5000: the last documented case of him having WMDs was during the clinton administration -- I think he got rid of them (destroyed hopefully) soon as he thought **** could get into office

[Goober5000]

You give Saddam Hussein too much credit.  It's possible but it's far more likely he sold them to terrorist groups.

[Kazan]

it is possible that he sold them to terrorists groups - but i think he's just a despot, not insane though

be careful not to underestimate him, he is very good at manipulating people and that does take intelligence

[SadisticSid]

Originally posted by Kazan


If you think women cannot die in childbirth than you're A) denying history B) denying medical science

therefore you are C) a moron for denying reality of your own petulant volition

Predictable; you keep on rattling off that nonsense like a good boy.

And think about this - women can die or be permanently damaged as a result of abortions too - as such a more han adequate counter to the abortion-or-die garbage you've immersed yourself in

[Tiara]

Originally posted by SadisticSid

And think about this - women can die or be permanently damaged as a result of abortions too - as such a more han adequate counter to the abortion-or-die garbage you've immersed yourself in

That's funny... Not really but meh...

[Kazan]

SadisticSid: at an extremely low rate from CLINICAL abortions - banning abortion increases the death rate because "back street abortions" are the dangerous ones

You simply don't know the facts, exactly the reason why you don't have any business telling women how to make their medical decisions

I bet you think women should be submissive to their husbands too, I bet you think it's their place to be in the home raising children instead of having jobs

[Goober5000]

Originally posted by Kazan
I bet you think women should be submissive to their husbands too, I bet you think it's their place to be in the home raising children instead of having jobs

It's actually better for society if one parent stays home while the other works (it doesn't matter which one).  Look at the aggregate numbers.  If you double the workforce while the number of work to do remains constant, you double the unemployment or halve the wages.  (Or a combination of the two, with the ratios depending on which is more elastic.)  For society as a whole, one parent working and one staying home provides more time and less stress for the same amount of income.

[Gank]

Originally posted by Goober5000
You give Saddam Hussein too much credit.  It's possible but it's far more likely he sold them to terrorist groups.

You seem to be ignorant about the nature of chemical and biological weapons. They have a limited shelf life, particularly so for the crude ww1 types saddam had. If there were no facilitys producing more, and all the experts including the US's own team say there wasnt, then what he had would be out of date and useless. Every bit of evidence and intelligence that he had an active program the US presented has been proven to be ****e, no evidence of a program has been found after a year of searching the country, all saddams scientists have said there was no programs, and you still cant accept the fact that there was none.

[Kazan]

Goober5000: that's a poor excuse for gender roles and misogyny - and your analysis is incorrect

halving the workforce halves productivity, which is vastly damaging to the economy.  A country were half the workforce cannot work because their female is never going to be economically as strong as a country where both the men and women work.  Furthermore the psychological affects of being treated like a second class citizen (being forced to be submissive, brainwashed to be) are profound and entirely negative.

You knwo the divorce rate is _HIGHER_ ammong fundamentalist homes, and the spousal abuse rate is well over twice as high amoung fundamentalist homes.

However having a parent around is good while the child is very young - that's why germany offers workers "Parents Pay" till the child is a certain age - both MEN and WOMEN are eligible, and only one of the two people in a family can take it - and yes men do take it.

If you CHOOSE to stay home while they're young, that's good - don't expect it of women just because they're women.  If you think it's so great and your wife wants to work, why don't you be a father and stay home.

[Turambar]

Originally posted by heretic



WMDs were not the reason we went into Iraq. Violation of resolution 668 is one of them.


The only reason the Security Council wasn't all for it was because France and Russia were getting kickbacks from the Oil for Food program.

If the US makes decisions based on who breaks Un resolutions and who doesn't, then why the hell are we still funding Israel?

[Rictor]

Both the US and Israel are in violation of more UN resolutions than Saddam ever was.

[Ulala]

Originally posted by Gank

... all saddams scientists have said there was no programs, and you still cant accept the fact that there was none.

Didn't Saddam like reject peacekeeper guys (no idea what they're actually called, but anyway), they were guys that would go in and check to see if there were WMDs or something? He'd tell 'em "Oh sure, come on over this date..." but then they'd get ready to go over and he'd say "Nah, I changed my mind.. maybe later...". If there were no WMDs, why would he do that? Or maybe that was someone else in Afghanistan or something... but I thought it was Saddam? Sorry if I'm mistaken, but if not, I thought it was a reasonably valid point.

On the abortion issue, don't parents usually choose the life of their children over their own? Mothers can choose the life of their baby over their own.. and besides, as medical science and technology or whatever improves, the death rate in childbirth will decrease. The "back alley" abortions or whatever term was used that Kazan mentioned.. well that's the woman's choice/risk.