[Bobboau]

but what if that is just all bull****, like I said even from a power mad dictator position this doesn't make sence, makeing new nukes when we could be makeing more tanks or fighter planes, or cruse missles, or orbital bombardment cannons or something that could posably be used.
what happened to the anti-nuke missle system, I'd much rather us be dumping cash on that then build more nukes, hell from the power mad dictator position that thing would alow us to use the nukes we have wich we currently can't.

[Styxx]

Originally posted by Janos
The point is whether Brazil has signed some Anti-Nuclear Weaponry Treatis. If not, it could develop whatever it wanted (and keep silent, a la Israel), if yes - then too bad, sanctions, be my guest.

Brazil has signed treaties and abides to them letting inspectors on non-classified areas of nuclear research and refinement facilities. The United States wants us to sign more restricting treaties, which would allow inspectors to arrive without notice and have full unrestricted access to the facilities.

Our government basically said "screw you" and proceeded to ignore further attempts, from what I gather. At least some stuff they're doing right.

[Styxx]

Originally posted by Bobboau
but what if that is just all bull****, like I said even from a power mad dictator position this doesn't make sence, makeing new nukes when we could be makeing more tanks or fighter planes, or cruse missles, or orbital bombardment cannons or something that could posably be used.
what happened to the anti-nuke missle system, I'd much rather us be dumping cash on that then build more nukes, hell from the power mad dictator position that thing would alow us to use the nukes we have wich we currently can't.

Er, you realize that if the US ever got a missile defense system working all that it would do would be to prompt rival countries with nuclear capabilities to start a preemptive nuclear strike as soon as possible (probably before the system went online) in the basis of "we might not get another chance", right?

[J3Vr6]

The "might not get another chance" strategy has been proven successful in school yards and cafeterias world over.

[Kazan]

****'s behavior makes perfect sense for a apocolyptic postmillenialist in his position

basically: He's nut! - but in a known fashion

[Styxx]

Originally posted by J3Vr6
The "might not get another chance" strategy has been proven successful in school yards and cafeterias world over.

Would you want to have your greatest enemy be able to bombard you with nuclear weapons without fear of retaliation?

[J3Vr6]

Hell no.  I am that type of person to take advantage when I see that the pickins' are good.  I'd be that one leader in the bunker in some 3rd world country who has more bombs than hospitals with my finger on the button, stroking my pointy beard and laughing til I burst of pee.

[Kazan]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0%2c3604%2c1195568%2c00.html

[Gank]

Originally posted by Bobboau
but what if that is just all bull****, like I said even from a power mad dictator position this doesn't make sence, makeing new nukes when we could be makeing more tanks or fighter planes, or cruse missles, or orbital bombardment cannons or something that could posably be used.

**** wants tactical nukes, not strategic ones. Stuff that can be used:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1009497,00.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2830933.stm
Date on that last article is ironic

Just read that article last night Kazan, kindof worrying.

[Bobboau]

hmmm, I still don't think they'd be usable without risking a all out nuclear war with someone.

[Kazan]

the guy isn't bull****ting - he described apocolyptic postmillenialism to you

[Kazan]

tac nukes are a bad idea - the Daisy Cutter and the MOAB can do the same thing without making hard-radiation radioisotopes

[kode]

Originally posted by Janos
I hope Sweden would revive it's nuclear program. Wonder what B*sh and Co. would do? [I am a Finn.]

the retards in charge got some laws passed that won't even allow research on stuff like nuclear power reactors, so it's highly unlikely. I'll also take the opportunity to blame the 1940's generation for everything that is wrong with the country today. especially, the decision to shut down all nuclear power plants without even making sure to have something other than polish coal power to cover for it.

as for the topic, I find developing new nuclear weapons a waste of money. keeping [some of the] the old up to shape might be justifiable, but wtf... is there a space invasion coming that the public doesn't know about?

[Bobboau]

posably

[Gank]

Originally posted by Bobboau
hmmm, I still don't think they'd be usable without risking a all out nuclear war with someone.

Only 6-7 nations are known to have nukes so theres around 200 more you could use them on:
http://www.chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/pol/nukesirishtimes.html
**** wants the nukes for the war on terror.

[Janos]

K, if that happens, the Russians will then nuke the **** out of Chechenya - and maybe Georgia also. Score one for the good gu--- oh wait

[IceFire]

Great...more nukes...what the hell do you need new nukes for?  Where are you going to dispose of the waste?   A mere portion of the stockpile would reduce any threatening country to nuclear apocalypse and screw the entire world over in the process (a nulcear weapon is not a local, regional or national thing, a single detonation can potentially bring world wide damage or devastation)....

They could spend the money to maintain what they need (fine others have nukes, a deterent is sufficient)...decomission the rest, spend the money on reducing the countries dependance on oil reserves and stop playing russian roulet in the middle east over oil.

Insanity...its pure lack of forward thinking and its long term suicide.

[Gank]

**** doesnt care, hes going to heaven

[ionia23]

Originally posted by IceFire

They could spend the money to maintain what they need (fine others have nukes, a deterent is sufficient)...decomission the rest, spend the money on reducing the countries dependance on oil reserves and stop playing russian roulet in the middle east over oil.

Detente will not work forever.  It's a matter of time before someone who is unafraid of, or immune to, the consequences of utilizing nuclear weapons in combat goes ahead and sets one or more off.  Do not doubt for an instant that, say, North Korea, would be above using some of their arsenal if they felt threatened even with a conventional war.

Or worse, an accident.

It's only worked so far because the main players on the board (all political wisecracks aside) have maintained enough maturity to not use them.  Yet.

[ionia23]

Originally posted by Janos
K, if that happens, the Russians will then nuke the **** out of Chechenya - and maybe Georgia also. Score one for the good gu--- oh wait

Not a chance.  Maybe in the 1930's, but there'd be no way for them to keep it secret now.  That's the sole reason you didn't see the whole of the Russian army exterminate or expel the Chechen population in it's entirety.  Too easy to get caught and too many consequences if they do.