Author Topic: Would anyony like this? (Read 18435 times)

Lightspeed · **Reply #20 on:** May 10, 2004, 01:13:58 pm

it is possible to use the same map with a slightly modified UVmap without any problems.

TopAce · **Reply #21 on:** May 10, 2004, 01:37:18 pm

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Originally posted by Starfighter

*Throughs TopAce to the creature*

Sometimes I just don't understand human behaviour.

Did you want to welcome him first, or what the hell?

By the way, I agree that capships(including freighters) should be improved. But fighters have simpler shape, and it is simpler to make them higher poly. At least I think.

F1gm3nt · **Reply #22 on:** May 10, 2004, 01:58:57 pm

As of right now, I haven't retextured it yet, and in actuality it *should* be able to use the same texture map as the first LOD currently uses, at least thats how I have it set up at the moment, ALthough I did plan on retexturing it for more detail, ect. and the UV doesn't need to be modified really, but the problem is a loss of detail, hence why I want to retexture it. Using the same UV on the high poly version that I have right now barely warrants any reason to actually keep doing it as the two versions look almost identical. I'm not sure that there is any way to fix it without modifing the UV. Also a quick question as to the allowable size for ship textures, I was thinking of upping it from 256x256 to 512x512 and maybe even doing an alternate set for 1024x1024 for people who have shwanky video cards like my GeForce 5900.

TopAce · **Reply #23 on:** May 10, 2004, 02:03:51 pm

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Originally posted by F1gm3nt
... I was thinking of upping it from 256x256 to 512x512 and maybe even doing an alternate set for 1024x1024 for people who have shwanky video cards like my GeForce 5900.

It rather requires RAM memory than video card power.

kasperl · **Reply #24 on:** May 10, 2004, 02:36:05 pm

but, in theory, 4096*4096 is ok, just stick to 2^n sizes.

TopAce · **Reply #25 on:** May 10, 2004, 02:37:52 pm

Excuse me, but as far as I know, fighter texture sizes are different than any other ones. I mean a fighter texture may be 322x521, for example.

Taristin · **Reply #26 on:** May 10, 2004, 02:42:01 pm

But it needn't be. That's just wasting cycles on the GPU. If you change the size of the maps, the UV mapping will remain intact. You may even get a small performance boost.

kasperl · **Reply #27 on:** May 10, 2004, 02:47:15 pm

you can, in theory, use any possible size.

In practice, anything not 2^n is terrible wastage, and anything above 2048^2 is a complete PC killer on a fighter.

TopAce · **Reply #28 on:** May 10, 2004, 02:53:29 pm

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Originally posted by kasperl
...anything above 2048^2 is a complete PC killer on a fighter.

How is a single texture supposed to kill something that has no heart, not breathing, doesn't feel pain?

And it is unneccessary, too. Even after there are so many collisions in FS.

F1gm3nt · **Reply #29 on:** May 14, 2004, 10:09:52 am

Well heres some quick screenies from within Maya. I just finished with my finals at college, thats what took so long. The new model has ~2100 faces or so.

There aren't any new textures yet, as I said earlier it uses the old uv map just fine, but because of the map geometry it sorta makes the model look less Hi-Poly. I don't have a POF version ready because whenever I try to convert it I get an empty LOD0 followed by the correct LOD's (i.e. LOD0 has nothing in it but LOD1 has the hi poly model, etc.)

When I convert it in PCS and look at the submodels tab it lists [000] as Freespace Model, which is the main model group name.(see below)

My Heirarchy looks like this in truespace:

Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong? I've followed the directiions in all the tuts that I could find on the message board and the LOD's show in the correct order after the null one. At any rate, here is the cob file if someone else wants to mess with it.

Theres no textures with it, just the cob.

Hi-Res Myrmidon .cob

[Edit: Put bigger pics up.]

[Edit Again: Nevermind I figured out what my problem with converting was.]

Janos · **Reply #30 on:** May 14, 2004, 10:22:39 am

So small pics, please post bigger ones.

I want to see where you are hiding you polies.

Taristin · **Reply #31 on:** May 14, 2004, 10:28:47 am

I don't really see where the high poly count is making it better. It looks more as if you just subdivided the model.
Could you post a wireframe shot?

F1gm3nt · **Reply #32 on:** May 14, 2004, 11:20:07 am

Which is sorta what I did, I used the old model as a reference and smoothed out the poly's for a sleeker look. Which is also why the UV isn't broke. As of right now it's still very much a WIP. I intend to add some finer details like the cockpit supports and missle/gun holes as well as a retexture which there is no way around. However thats why I asked if anyone would be interested because all that would likely set back env mapping. IMHO, I think just smoothing the model out makes it look better and as you can tell from the textured shots the UV is slightly off in some areas, so even with just the smoothing the texture has to be redone with a slightly modified UV.(look at the large missle holes to see what I mean, they're slightly warped.)

At any rate here are some wireframe screenies.

I'm not claiming that this is the best way to go about things but I'm offering time to go and do it, with all the fighter ships if people will want to use them.

Taristin · **Reply #33 on:** May 14, 2004, 11:31:01 am

Kinda how I made the Anuket smoother. It's horrible to UV.

Honestly, I don't think terran vessels have much to gain from being smooth divided. Vasudan vessels, on the other hand, show a stark improvement.

F1gm3nt · **Reply #34 on:** May 14, 2004, 11:58:40 am

Aye, I see your point, I did the Myrmidon because it was suggested. I happen to like it smoothed out, I agree that Terran vessels have less of a need for it but I personally like it. I'll post some in game shots when I have em.

jdjtcagle · **Reply #35 on:** May 14, 2004, 12:07:26 pm

Looks pretty

I bet that would look good on something like colossus or any capship...
Do a Orion

WMCoolmon · **Reply #36 on:** May 14, 2004, 06:07:53 pm

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Originally posted by Raa Tor'h
Kinda how I made the Anuket smoother. It's horrible to UV.

Honestly, I don't think terran vessels have much to gain from being smooth divided. Vasudan vessels, on the other hand, show a stark improvement.

True dat. You might have more success by taking the original model and adding detail onto it, using the textures as a reference.

Setekh · **Reply #37 on:** May 14, 2004, 08:20:46 pm

Hey Figment, welcome to HLP.

And yeah, the approach to adding detail to Terran ships is a little more different. Look for the hi-poly Fenris in the modding forum for an idea of what works well with Terrans.

Turambar · **Reply #38 on:** May 15, 2004, 07:56:47 am

yay! can i DL it an start making new maps??

Lt.Cannonfodder · **Reply #39 on:** May 15, 2004, 08:11:57 am

Just smoothing the ship isn't enough IMO. With Vasudan ships it might look good, but terran ships could use some more details. Try to model some of the details from the textures.

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