Originally posted by Crazy_Ivan80
The UN allowed the jewish people to establish a state in the British Mandate of Palestine (which at the time included Jordan).
At the same time the independent state of Palestine was supposed to be declared. That state would have included today's Jordan. IIRC, the territority of the mandate would have been split ca 80/20. That's 20% for the Israelis, it might have been less even.
Wrong, the UN didnt allow the Israelis to establish a state, in fact jewish terrorists assassinated the UN man in charge of settling the dispute because he insisted on the arabs being allowed to keep land they legally owned, which would have meant the jewish would have been a minority in their own state. Israel declared independance by itself, and had no backing from the UN. Go learn some facts.
Originally posted by Crazy_Ivan80
However, the arab goverments believing that sharing is for wimps declare war on newly formed Israel. They also promise the 'Palestinians' (which didn't even exist as a people at that time, at least not as we know them now) that they will have everything.
It wasnt sharing, it was taking. Sharing implies the israelis were offering something in return for the land they wanted, they werent. As for the palestinians not existing as a people, of course they ****ing did you twat, the place has been called palestine since roman times, it was ISRAELIS who did not exist back then as they do now. Anyways Ben Gurion puts it better than I could:
"Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader, I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country... Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs... We come from Israel, it's true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them?... There has been anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault?... They only see one thing: we came here and stole their country... Why should they accept that ?"
Originally posted by Crazy_Ivan80
Lots of palestinians lose their home. A percentage of them because they were chased of their land, most because they believed their arab 'brothers' (the same 'brothers' who actually don't give a **** about the palestinians in reality). They begin to whine about 'the right to return'
I think you'll find it was events like Deir Yassin which caused the palestinian exodus as opposed to any empty promises by the other arab states.
Originally posted by Crazy_Ivan80
At the same time about an equal number of jews lose their properties and have little choice but to go to Israel. I'm not hearing anyone talk about a right of return or of reimbursement for these people.
Info about the expelling of Jews from Arab lands
It's a long read but do read it.
It wasnt at the same time it was done after, in response to Israels ethnic cleansing. I'm sure they'll grant the right to return after Israel does.
Originally posted by Sandwich
Muslim beliefs are not in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. I don't care if the pope and the canterbury guy are deceived (which they are if they say that Allah is the same as the Judeo-Christian God) into thinking that. The best deceptions and lies have to have a certain amount of truth to them in order to be believable.
It just saddens me to see how widespread the lies are accepted. 
You could try to refute the lies in a convincing manner, so far you've only reinforced the fact that they are the same god.
Originally posted by Sandwich
Concerning Israel/Palestine, if you want to pick and choose the bits of history to back up your arguments, then I'm not going to waste any more time with you on this matter. At least walls don't pretend to listen.
What bits of history are we missing? How the arabs and jews have been fighting over it for centurys? How the nasty arabs persecuted the jews and scattered them to the four corners of the earth? We both know the only reason for justifing Israels existence is biblical, and if you dont believe whats written in there is true then Israel becomes a nasty little nation of land thieves with a nazi like superiority complex.
