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Make an Alexander the Great film, yes, he was, at times, a tactical genius, he was excellent at administration and logistics, but also point out the fact he had an enormously inflated view of himself, thought he was related to the Gods, and, on more than a few occasions made charges into battle that were so rash and poorly thought out that his own troops and friends had to come and save him. Make it about how thousands of men died as he drove them through the deserts, fighting mutiny most of the way, and beheading anyone who complained too much, and include the nervous breakdown he had on his return to his home. Make him human, I guess that's all I'm trying to say :)


I agree. It would make a better story too. But that's not the way Hollywood works or has ever worked.

I just get upset when people act like it's a new thing. I doubt that Spartacus was any more historically accurate than this is but you don't see people getting all annoyed about that.  

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At least Gladiator had 'some' historical reference. But Troy and this piece of crap they call a movie is just a big ol' fantasy story to **** up young people's mind. I'll bet that if you ask anyone who has seen this movie about the real history they'll still reference to these movies... :mad:


Haven't seen Troy but lets face it that movie is based on the homeric myth rather than the true story so complaining about historical accuracies is a bit pointless anyway. :)

I would love to see a movie like Flipside describes about the real Alexander the Great. I doubt we'll see it though. It would be the sort of thing that only existing history buffs watch.  

That said I'd rather see a movie like this made than no movie at all. Before Braveheart came out not that many people outside of Scotland had even heard of William Wallace. Sure the story was completely full of inaccuracies but at least it helped people learn who he was.

I don't know how History is taught in Holland but I've lost count of the number of times I've heard kids say that history is boring. It's not that history is boring, it's that kids don't find it intersting cause the way most teachers here teach it. If this film gets kids interested in Alexander the Great then I'm happy. Not as happy as if the movie had been historically accurate but nonetheless happier than hearing people say "who's he?" when I mention him.

Besides it will be ten times easier to just teach your pupils what the movie got wrong than to teach the whole subject from the start. :D
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Haven't seen Troy but lets face it that movie is based on a myth anyway so complaining about historical accuracies is a bit pointless anyway. :)

I consider mythology a big part of ancient history. Screwing up mythology also screws up your perception of ancient history.

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Besides it will be ten times easier to just teach your pupils what the movie got wrong than to teach the whole subject from the start. :D

Not really... The movie stays in their heads. Getting rid of that image is hard :p They prefer fantasy over facts 99% of the time. Sadly...
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Alexander conquered most of Europe by using war Elephants. He won most of his battles because European armies relied heavily on Horses, and Horses are terrified of Elephants. He was the guy with the WMD's

Oddly enough, he struggled further east due to the fact the Elephants don't like the smell of camels, but then, let's face, I'd be surprised if camels liked the smell of camels

He was a butcher who died leaving 2 sons, who fought over the remains of his Empire and tore it clean apart again 40 years after it was created. Hardly the greatest legend ever.....


How shall I say this...

1 - He didn't conquered most part of Europe, hell he didn't conquer almost any european country or state.

2 - He had much more difficulty fighting Persia than Thebes and other citys for obvious reasons.

3 - Alexander never saw Elephants until he battled in India July 326 B.C. !!!

4 - He's strong point was his phalanx infantry which gave him an edge against cavalry and other sort of mounted foes which didn't use that sort of weapons (long meele spears). Of course his strategic planning also helped.

5 - He didn't have any sons and his empire was divided by his generals which after a while ended in turmoil.

Here's a map of his empire
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See, but Braveheart and Gladiator were well acted. You could feel for them. Its didn't come off as one big scheme to make money. To me, it didn't smell of cliche (maybe a little with Gladiator). Same thing with Spartacus.

get someone like......Tim Roth who can act worth a damn, then we'll talk.

Of course, you can't make it 1000% historically accurate, but there is a difference between exagerating reality and making up a new reality. Not ever historic figure has fit neatly into the Hollywood good guy archetype. For a change, lets make a movie about a bad guy. A bad guy who killed countless thousands, raped and pillaged everywhere he went, killed his closest friends, had an ego that would put Tom Cruise to shame and almost certainly was not responsible for all the great strategies with which he is credited.

The connotation of course is, those who conquer have to be made out to be great, good men, because guess what that implies about our current batch of Alexanders and Caesars.

Conquerors are, almost by definition, brutal, murderous people. How about we just say "Alexander had quite an empire" and leave it at that. There's no need to glorify his acts. It very dangerous, here's why

A day or two ago, I read a column by Bill O'Reilly (popular right wing fanatic), who compared "the war on terrorism" to the wars of Genghis Khan. He said "Khan never playd by the rules, he was a tough mofo, and look how far it got him. We have to be ruthless like he was, if we ever hope to win this war". Other times, I've seen Dubya supporters liken him Julius Caesar, who in their view was a great man. Oh yeah, he liberated Gual good and proper, he did. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

 

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This film will have nothng on Prince of Thieves, you know

 

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If people were watching Platoon and figuring out that this is more like real life in the Army than Pearl Harbor, they might start asking some difficult questions about Iraq.
 


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Originally posted by Tiara

At least Gladiator had 'some' historical reference. But Troy and this piece of crap they call a movie is just a big ol' fantasy story to **** up young people's mind. I'll bet that if you ask anyone who has seen this movie about the real history they'll still reference to these movies... :mad:


Well Troy was based on the Iliad, which is fiction to begin with, so it shouldn't upset a history teacher.

Now, a literature fan, that's a whole different story,...
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Just Watch, 20 or so years from now they'll be makin a movie about the war in Iraq...

I cant wait :rolleyes:
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3 - Alexander never saw Elephants until he battled in India July 326 B.C. !!!


I believe one of the other armys he fought before Poros had a small number of elephants actually.
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you know I'am going watch it and Enjoy it

you guys/girls can watch History Document about Alexander the Great

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Nothing will compare to Gladiator and BraveHeart :nod:


Braveheart was a ****ing bastardisation of history - it managed to portray not one but two of Scotlands greatest heroes as traitors, not to mention making up virtually every aspect of the story - Wallce was a knight, not a poor man, he never was involved with the queen of France, it was the4 battle of Striling Bridge, etc.

 

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http://faq.macedonia.org/history/alexander.the.great.html

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On July 326 BC, Alexander's army crossed the heavily defended river in dramatic fashion during a violent thunderstorm to meet Porus' forces. The Indians were defeated in a fierce battle, even though they fought with elephants, which the Macedonians had never before seen.
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If Wallace didn't get some of that French poon tang I am gonna be really upset! (lord knows he deserved some)

  And Robert the Bruce wasn't a traitor? I hated him for being such a pansy (choke the old pox ridden bastard and be done with his evil BS!)

This really messes with my perceptions of scotland...

  BTW does this mean that the Scorpion King wasn't a documentary? I heard about this other show, but since The Rock wasn't in it I didn't bother seeing it.  :lol:


  Also Hellboy explains what happened to Mad monk Rasputin (if anyone was wondering)...
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From pothos.org

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At Gaugamela Darius used about 200 scythed chariots, equipped with sharp rotating spikes to demolish anything that came in their way. They were no challenge however for Alexander's mobile peltasts and Agrians. Heading the army were fifteen war elephants which could not make a lasting impression either.
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Tailer looked good

   Just read about his "sexuality" on that website. think there's any chance of a hot 3 some between Ferrel, Kilmer, and Angelina since it looks like good old Alexander was Bi? (IMHO all the great ones are)
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i wonder how they're going to portray the man-sex in this movie.  we can only hope for historical inaccuracies here

damn it, you posted right before i hit post :P
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the irony is that Val Kilmer is a much better actor that pretty boy over there, but is stuck doing a secondary role because he doesn't have the instant "cool" recognition oe legions of women screaming his name.

 
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since when are macedonians (greeks) blond? wtf thanks alot hollywood! :rolleyes:

val kilmer makes an awsome like guy for this kind of era style of fighting and stuff... we saw that in "willow" HE should be Alexander. :yes:
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