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Offline aipz

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So to summarise. There is no proof whatsoever that any other design than current aurora starfury existed during the Dilgar War. I'm sure they did use an older version of it though. Less armor, less effective sensors, less effective thrusters, less effective weapons. But the basic design was all the same.


The true glory days of the Tiger, the ones in which it proved to deserve its name, came at the end of its career, when it was yet flanked and progressively being replaced by the Nova Starfury: the Nova furies were standard issue of the Nova Dreadnoughts and of the fleet carriers, but almost all the Starfury wings embarked on the Hyperion cruisers, (Note: the hangar of the Hyperions held six Nova/Aurora starfuries, but originally it embarked eight of the smaller Tiger, with a tactically more rational structure of an half wing), many regular fighter squadrons tasked of intersystem and planetary defence and almost all the squadrons of the National Guard were still based upon the small, nimble Tigerfury: the year was the 2231, the proof was the Dilgar War.

While not as powerful and advanced as the Nova (that was a design 30 years younger), the Tiger was indeed very competitive against the Thorun used by the Dilgars. The Thorun had a superior linear acceleration, more advanced engines, much better sensors and more endurance and range, but the Tiger had its advantages: it was much more nimble, capable of manoeuvres not conceivable with the Thorun, it was vastly sturdier, and its weapon system, based upon a couple of powerful plasma bolters, a 27mm railgun and up to 8 missiles was devastating, and perfectly tuned.
In fact, the Nova Starfury conquered the space dominance against the Dilgars, but the Tigerfury was much more than a second line instrument: it fought and was able to put to the ropes the Dilgar forces from the first to the last day of the war, and achieved more than 30% of the fighter-to fighter victories of that conflict. This was the last, glorious dance of the Tiger.

After the war, and during the reorganization (and reduction) of the Earthforce of the 2230's, the Tigers were decommissioned, essentially because of the expensive maintenance (related even to the ageing of the crafts, but a Tiger, due to the complex design, requests more than twice the maintenance time for hour flown respect to a Nova) and because a relevant part of their combat capabilities were based upon their missile system, logistically heavy and expensive in terms of ordnance and training. Overall, the Nova was a superior design (except for the lack of missile capability, that at that time was deemed as not necessary), but the Tigerfury left a good memory of itself as an effective and well built craft, capable to bring back its pilot even in case of heavy damage, and a deadly fighter. Still today, some aged veterans of the Dilgar War says proudly "I was a Tiger of the Starfuries"...

Info and pics of Tiger Starfury

Please tell whether you would like to see it someday in TBP:confused:
« Last Edit: August 08, 2005, 06:47:14 am by 2633 »
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Offline karajorma

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None of that is canon you know.

While I wouldn't mind seeing the ship it's up to the team really.
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Offline aipz

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So to summarise. There is no proof whatsoever that any other design than current aurora starfury existed during the Dilgar War.


About the timespan...

~2200 - 2230s  Tiger in service
beginning of 2230s-first Aurora's
2250s Thunderbolts

So I don't see any inconsequence as the Aurora was based on Tiger, except it had a better manouverability, speed and avionics etc. etc.

Simple, plain evolution... :nod:
On several web pages is clearly stated that Tiger design is from a now defunct Babylon 5 RPG game...
So we may assume it's half canon...:)

Of course it depends wholy on the TBP team ever to implement this craft, but the arguments don't say that this craft never existed!
« Last Edit: August 08, 2005, 01:21:10 pm by 2633 »
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the b5 RPG and the Computer game are both cannon, there for the Nova'fury went into servace in the begining of the dilgar war the Aurora was developed just before the mimbari war going into servace at about 2244. Now the T-bolt is an excellent fighter but its strength is built around its weapon. If the Aurora could be equipt with the T-bolt's cannon the Aurora would still be dominant. Its smaller and more nimble and just as fast.

 

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Originally posted by I_E_Maverick
I think we have to think of revising some of the weapons, i played both of IPs missions, and the victory took out 3 shadow battlecrabs, 4 scouts and several shadow fighters on its own :)


Be warned, they were only small Battlecrabs that Victory beat in that mission. They aren't as tough as the bigger ones and in the latest tables their weapons are really rather weedy. Also all of the Battlecrabs were iintentionally positioned to approach from directions which made the Victory most lethal.
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Yes I can put the bounding boxes for the subsystems inside the ship, which I plan to do when I add subsystems to the battlecrabs. You'll only be able to damage them with a telepath who is capable of using the sabotage-subsystem sexp.
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Consider this also an option to keep Vorlon ships effective through their lifetime.

 

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While the Tiger class fury aipz posted might not be canon (though B5: IFH refers to it, meaning it must be a very popular fan idea) it would be fun to have in game.

I'd love to do a Dilgar War campaign, and the design looks very nice :)
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JMS endorced the video game and still does i think, and i think he was at least an advisor to the RPG. So i would say thos two sources are cannon. I'm not sure for the tactical game because the ships were designed but a different person than who did the design for the series.

 

Offline Woolie Wool

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Originally posted by the_leander
Why not stick with the basic Aurora design?

I know this might seem odd, but think about the way todays fighter jet design is - its not revolutionary, its evolutionary, the latest US F22 Raptor is essentially (looks wise) a squared off F15. Why not take the same aproach with the starfury - simply make it a bit more busy and a little more fragile looking, whilst keeping the same basic design charactoristics.

Due to aerodynamics, fighters must look a certain way. Starships do not have this restriction. Besides, the F-22 looks more like the F-18 than the F-15.
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Offline Sparrow

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Mmmmmm, F-22 looks more to a F-15 than a F-18 with all dont know why, yes i know i know Hornet and Raptor have both angled ruders placed just between the wings and the rear tail stabilizators but for some reason its for me closer to the F-15, maybe is the size and the role , anyway is no match for our EF-2000 Typhoon ;7

 

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A picture of the bluestar ingame.
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yay! looks great! thanks for bringing that ingame!

 

Offline Sigma957

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Thought you might be happy with that :D
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What's that thing to the left of it? Looks Vorlon...

 

Offline Sigma957

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That would be the planet killer:drevil:
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That would be a cool mission!

 

Offline ramsboy

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with regards to the whole tiger star fury debate, I am  an aircraft engineer in the real world and believe me there is a whole lot more than just aerodynamics that make aircraft look similar.  You have the whole avionics suite,conditioning (that would be life support on a star fury!),hydraulics etc its far easier and cheaper to modify a current design and believe me the military would always look to pinch pennys, I would say the aurora would be based on the tiger as the thud is probably based on aurora systems

 

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UGh! Looks good, but who ok'ed the 'Smurfstar' (kidding)

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