[Tiara]

Originally posted by Turnsky


well, yeah..  Halo was good, it helped take the stigma out of console FPS's but, as good as the story was, it "wasn't that special" on the PC in terms of being revolutionary.

with doom three, what carmack seeks to do is scare the bejesus out of you, the setting of the first game is perfect for that..
now, all you fans of "twitch gameplay" may not like that.. well, all i gotta say is wait for serious sam 2
but, personally, i like something a little cerebal, and to have my nerves on edge..
two games i can think of that did that is System Shock 2, and Undying.
it's the atmosphere..

You want atmosphere? Try Silent Hill 3 :drevil:

[Tiara]

Originally posted by Singh


Suggest a few good free ones then
*has been looking for a few good RPGs, but rarely finding any....

Free?

Anyway, what kind of RPG are you looking for? Japan style (ALA Final Fantasy) or Western style (ALA Baldur's Gate)?

[Turnsky]

Originally posted by Tiara

Free?

Anyway, what kind of RPG are you looking for? Japan style (ALA Final Fantasy) or Western style (ALA Baldur's Gate)?

Summoner 2..

[Singh]

Originally posted by Tiara

Free?

Anyway, what kind of RPG are you looking for? Japan style (ALA Final Fantasy) or Western style (ALA Baldur's Gate)?

Errr....baldur's gate? O_o

Ive played FF, its pretty good, but i'd rather try something not so fantasy-ish (maybe some sci-fi).

Ach, another reason to begin work on the HLP RPG, dont ya think

[Tiara]

Originally posted by Singh


Errr....baldur's gate? O_o

ACK! You don't know BG?

Ive played FF, its pretty good, but i'd rather try something not so fantasy-ish (maybe some sci-fi).

Fallout for you then....

Ach, another reason to begin work on the HLP RPG, dont ya think

no

[Gloriano]

Originally posted by Singh


Errr....baldur's gate? O_o
 

 you never heard Baldurs Gate? jeez:p

[Singh]

Originally posted by Tiara

ACK! You don't know BG?




Fallout for you then....


no

No, surprisingly i never heard of it.......

Fallout? Ok, now I know that I have to wander outside of HLP occasionally

And why not? You were so enthutiastic about it before.......would me writing the plot and stuff encourage you back?

[Turnsky]

Originally posted by Singh


Errr....baldur's gate? O_o

Ive played FF, its pretty good, but i'd rather try something not so fantasy-ish (maybe some sci-fi).

Ach, another reason to begin work on the HLP RPG, dont ya think

Baldur's gate series
Icewind Dale Series
Fallout Series
Morrowind
Kotor 1 (and 2's coming soon)
Summoner 1,2 (2 is PS2 only )
Arcanum
Planscape: Torment
Diablo series
Neverwinter Nights

all i can think of off the top of my head

[Singh]

Originally posted by Turnsky


Baldur's gate series
Icewind Dale Series
Fallout Series
Morrowind
Kotor 1 (and 2's coming soon)
Summoner 1,2 (2 is PS2 only )
Arcanum
Planscape: Torment
Diablo series
Neverwinter Nights

all i can think of off the top of my head

Ive only heard of Kotor, Diablo and NWN (have the last one with me, but no PC to run it).....

[Turnsky]

Originally posted by Singh


Ive only heard of Kotor, Diablo and NWN (have the last one with me, but no PC to run it).....

buy one, then (or at least upgrade the hell outta your old one)

[Singh]

Originally posted by Turnsky


buy one, then (or at least upgrade the hell outta your old one)

you rich bugger

[Turnsky]

Originally posted by Singh


you rich bugger

sorry singh, but i find that highly amusing, since you've prolly got a more disposable income than me.

[magatsu1]

Originally posted by Tiara
Seriously, if you don't agree with me, fine.  Try a good RPG for a change. Those kind of games can keep me going for days in a row just because of the story alone. Or a good RTS.

I think modern games put too much emphasis on story. Would Monopoly be any better if it spun some nonsence about gangsters and protection rackets ?

As for FPS all being the same, bar nicer graphics (or whatever) , that could be said of all games, of all types of game. Sure, Doom 3 will essentially be the same as the original, but boiling down the originals strong points and doin' em better is the aim there. Is FF7 any different to any of the previous titles ?

I also think the FPS trem is out of date. Doom, SS2, Deus Ex, Halo et all use a FPS view but otherwise have little in common. Deus Ex and SS2 both have strong RPG elements.

And no one had better quote Final Fantasy as an example of games with good storys, for the sake of their own credability.

[Singh]

Originally posted by Turnsky




sorry singh, but i find that highly amusing, since you've prolly got a more disposable income than me.

Hey, I get only $350 singapore dollars a month to spend, along with whatever my parents can afford. I can barely pay my phone bills, much less afford a new PC.
heh, building this one cost too much as it is

[Setekh]

Find a friend who's got some of those titles and borrow them for a while. Give them a spin, then tell us if you'd like to form a Brotherhood of Steel.

[Tiara]

Originally posted by magatsu1


I think modern games put too much emphasis on story. Would Monopoly be any better if it spun some nonsence about gangsters and protection rackets ?

On the Monopoly issue, probably yes Just kidding. But in a game as Monopoly you at the very least need to use your brain. And it's a table top game.

the PC version is kinda fun because it isn't senseless.

As for FPS all being the same, bar nicer graphics (or whatever) , that could be said of all games, of all types of game. Sure, Doom 3 will essentially be the same as the original, but boiling down the originals strong points and doin' em better is the aim there. Is FF7 any different to any of the previous titles ?

So, basically you have a souped up version of the original Doom? Once again, sounds dull as hell.

As for Final Fantasy, every single time it's a completely new world (barring FFX and X-2) with a completely new story, well worked out characters AND improved graphics + gameplay with each new part. Hell, in FF:Tactics its a tactical game as much as an RPG. Or in FF-X they renewed the entire battle system. In FF:X-2 it was renewed and improved once again. FF XI will be multiplayer.

Not just improved gameplay and graphics like Doom.

I also think the FPS trem is out of date. Doom, SS2, Deus Ex, Halo et all use a FPS view but otherwise have little in common. Deus Ex and SS2 both have strong RPG elements.

I'm not saying ALL FPS games are crap. Just the mainstream FPS games such as DOOM and Unreal. Each new game is basically the same as the previous with very little innovation in the gameplay part. The first parts were fun because it was new. But now they are just milkingh out a practically ancient concept.

A good example of a good FPS game is Rogue Spear and the likes IMO. Tactical FPS games are fun to play because you don't senselessly shoot people up without thinking.

And no one had better quote Final Fantasy as an example of games with good storys, for the sake of their own credability.

Matter of taste just like my taste is that mainstream FPS games suck arse because they are basically just the same as always.

I happen to like the Final Fantasy worlds and stories. If you don't, then thats your choice. It's your perogative.

[ZylonBane]

Originally posted by Tiara
And what you're claiming is; 'FPS is mother, FPS is father'.

Oh? Please point out where I've represented that sentiment. I eagerly await your frothing, gnashing, borderline-unintelligible response.

[magatsu1]

Tiara:
can't find any fault in your reasoning there, but inovation for inovation's sake seems to me like a waste of time.  You don't need to reinvent the wheel everytime. Taking the core appeal of a game and focusing on it, taking the same premise but with new bad guys in new combinations in more realisied worlds.

the only problem with story driven games is they provide only limited play time. You haved to admit, there is limited play time in an RPG once you've seen everything. Games can be abstract, but the industry has become obcessed with making the game equivilant of books and movies.

[Kamikaze]

Originally posted by magatsu1

the only problem with story driven games is they provide only limited play time. You haved to admit, there is limited play time in an RPG once you've seen everything. Games can be abstract, but the industry has become obcessed with making the game equivilant of books and movies.

70 hours or more of content isn't enough? Anyhow, I reread books tons of times and it's still quite good the second, third or nth time. The same goes for RPG games.

[magatsu1]

Couldn't say how many hours I spent playing Mario Kart, or Doom, or whatever. All I'm saying is games too often try to tell a story (I mean does Puzzle Bobble or any other Tetris stylee-clone really need a story mode ?). Telling a story isn't the be all and end all of games.

FS1 & 2 only had paper thin stories. The sequel provided more of the same but with improvements in Graphics, Sound (especially IMO) and, to a degree, gameplay. Volition didn't feel the need to add a load of charicters and storyline because it wasn't necessary.