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But, the real cornerstone of the debate is the question of are they born with it or is it enviroment and experience.


Modern medical science says: genetic factor


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To defute the twins argument, I would like to say that if these twins are together their entire live they will have similiar experiences.


except they check for this kind of bias -- identical twins _seperated_ _at_ _birth_ expirience the same increase probability of both being homosexual if one is


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The same with reguar siblings.


no, non-identical twins and simple siblings do not have an increase probability of both being homosexual if one of them is


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I have a premise in my arguments that gays are not born that way.


Your premise is false -- arguments from false premises are false


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Kazan, with all do respect, and others is that is an inborn trait and there for bigotry and against all that the american constitution stands for.


The american constitution stands for freedom, liberty, human rights -- banning gay marriage goes against all of that

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Also, Kazan you said something about understanding the constitution as it was written. I don't mean to be snide, but out of curiosity I though you were a believer in a living breathing document?


adding a ban on homosexual marriage to it would be defiling the document and destroying what the founding fathers intended it to be - writing such into the constitution would make the constitution violate human rights and would utterly destroy everything american stands for --- our country would become less than worthless, it would become deserving of destruction


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Stealth:
http://www.biblebelievers.com/ - biased source, in the practice of falsification

furthermore your "numerous documents" are a profile of the MINORITY -- have you noticed that i point out 99.99999% are born that way -- not 100%, there is a _SLIM_ microscopic minority that _are_ psychological -- then there is the issue of repression.  

You're really ignorant

http://www.ewm.org - biased source, in the practice of falsification
http://www.russpickett.com/  - biased source, in the practice of falsification
http://www.cnsnews.com/ - unreliable source

http://cas.bellarmine.edu/ - academic supporting me

http://www.spirit-walkers.org/ - biased source, in the practice of falsification
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/ - unreliable source
http://www.expage.com/whythink - unrelaible (almost certainly biased) source


Guess what -- ALL THESE SOURCES ARE IRREVELANT to the issue of what marriage has been through the ages -- you only proven one thing: you have no idea how to seperated a biased source from an unbiased source
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Now, no more discussion about christians here


No - because they're the root of the problem
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Homosexuality: Is it genetic?


By Jennifer Ciotta

'Homosexuality was not some sort of exotic sin or rare deviation from the norm, but a fairly common part of human sexual behavior in the 1940s and early 1950s,' says Susan and Daniel Cohen, the co-authors of When Someone You Know Is Gay.

Alfred C. Kinsey was a biologist in this time period who undertook the study of sexual practices in American society. The American public was shocked to find out that '13% of adult males and 7% of adult females are exclusively or predominately homosexual for significant periods of their lives.' According to Kinsey's study, these percentiles were '10% of the total adult population.'

In the 1940s and 1950s and even today, the American society denied and still continue to deny these facts according to the Cohens. However, Kinsey was a noted scientist who always 'applied the scientific method to all of his sexual behavior studies.' So where does this leave the American public of today? Do we believe a noted scientist of the past or look into the 1990s for an answer?

In 1991, another scientist named Simon LeVay announced his finding that his research comparing the brains of homosexual and heterosexual men showed a structural difference in the region thought to influence male sexuality. This neurobiologist discovered that a segment of the brain in homosexual men, the hypothalamus, is only a quarter to half the size of those in heterosexual men. LeVay conducted his study by examining the corpses of 19 gay men, 16 heterosexual men, and six heterosexual women. All of the homosexual men died from complications of AIDS. Because of AIDS, people in the medical field had to learn to identify the sexual orientation of men. LeVay's findings shocked the nation, just as in the 1940s and 1950s when Kinsey announced his conclusions.

Dr. Karen Harbeck, the editor of Coming Out of the Classroom Closet: Gay and Lesbian Students, Teachers and Curricula, discusses the most recent study of homosexuality linked to genetics. According to Harbeck, the National Institute of Mental Health has recent research done on Mormons because they know their geneologies. If a male has a genetic pattern at xq28 gene loci, then he has a 70% chance of being gay, and a 30% chance of not being gay. If this configuration (xq28) is not there, there is a 100% chance of being heterosexual. This is not a 'gay gene,' but a strong tendency towards the idea of homosexuality being a genetic attribute. However, Harbeck notes that since xq28 loci exists in males, it is passed on through the maternal genetic line. Therefore, he has not been able to replicate research on women yet.

So this leaves the question: Is being gay genetic? Cynthia Evangelou, advisor of the Lesbian/Gay/Bisexual Concerns office for the University, says: 'There have been numerous scientific studies done, but findings have been inconclusive. My feeling is what difference does it make? We are all people and in the atmosphere of humanity it shouldn't make a difference what sexual orientation we are. We should treat people with kindness and respect regardless of our differences.'
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that evidence shows pretty conclusively that there is a genetic link -- 100% probability of being hetero without the gene -- that's rather conclusive


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So this leaves the question: Is being gay genetic? Cynthia Evangelou, advisor of the Lesbian/Gay/Bisexual Concerns office for the University, says: 'There have been numerous scientific studies done, but findings have been inconclusive. My feeling is what difference does it make? We are all people and in the atmosphere of humanity it shouldn't make a difference what sexual orientation we are. We should treat people with kindness and respect regardless of our differences.'


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Many homosexuals struggle with depression and suicide because even they themselves can't accept the way they are. How could they possibly have chosen that?
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I heard that argument out of the mouth of a former gay-hater... her son was homosexual and after he came out she entered the modern world rapdily
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Ford Prefect: That's really not a good question, mind over matter can have that effect
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others feel depressed and lonly and ect. that are not gay.
except mental illness is more of a consequence enviroment. however, I will personally continue to argue the enviromental causes until:
both the enviromental theory has been diffuted and the genetic theory conclusivly proved.

I know this may seem ignorant and hard headed. Oh well.
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Stealth:
http://www.biblebelievers.com/ - biased source, in the practice of falsification

furthermore your "numerous documents" are a profile of the MINORITY -- have you noticed that i point out 99.99999% are born that way -- not 100%, there is a _SLIM_ microscopic minority that _are_ psychological -- then there is the issue of repression.  

You're really ignorant

http://www.ewm.org - biased source, in the practice of falsification
http://www.russpickett.com/  - biased source, in the practice of falsification
http://www.cnsnews.com/ - unreliable source

http://cas.bellarmine.edu/ - academic supporting me

http://www.spirit-walkers.org/ - biased source, in the practice of falsification
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/ - unreliable source
http://www.expage.com/whythink - unrelaible (almost certainly biased) source


Guess what -- ALL THESE SOURCES ARE IRREVELANT to the issue of what marriage has been through the ages -- you only proven one thing: you have no idea how to seperated a biased source from an unbiased source


SO FIND ME A ****ING SOURCE THAT PROVES GAYS ARE BORN GAY!!! so far you haven't found one either!!! WHERE ARE YOUR THOUSANDS OF ANTHROPOLOGISTS NOW!?!?!?!?!?!?

jdjctagle or whatever:  what was the point of that article you posted?  to prove gays are born gay?  because at the very end it states:

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'There have been numerous scientific studies done, but findings have been inconclusive.

soooooo

 

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:wtf:

Point that it is "inconclusive
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Many homosexuals struggle with depression and suicide because even they themselves can't accept the way they are.


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How did allowing black and white people to marry each other help our society evolve or progress? [/q]

They can have children, offspring, and give those unique offspring a perspective on both cultures. There's a significant different between allowing mixed sex marriages between colours and between same sex couples. I'm asking you what value gay marriages are to society in the same terms.

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Btw, I'm liking this theory about nature's version of population control...
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If it's true, then the percentage of homosexuals should be increasing.
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:wtf:

Point that it is "inconclusive


then wtf are we arguing about?  kazan's saying it's been proven that gays are born gay... and you're trying to back him up by saying its' inconclusive!?

 

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Who the hell said I was trying to back Kazan up!?

I was trying to say that it is not as conclusive as Kazan says it is...
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Btw, I'm liking this theory about nature's version of population control...


How?



Still looking for answers to my questions, people.

 

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Well, I'm not sure that I can give an exemple about that, kara, but in the same way, can you prove that it didn't help society evolve and progress ?
And it helped the developement of at least one thing in our society : tolerance, which should be more practiced by the devot christian who are opposed to too much thing to count :p


That was my point. There were benifits and no penalties. So why not do it. It's the same with gay marriage. There are benifits

* Increased tolerance
* Gays feel worried about having to come out
* Bible thumpers get higher blood pressure and die off quicker.

and there are no penalties. So why not do it?

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How did allowing black and white people to marry each other help our society evolve or progress?


They can have children, offspring, and give those unique offspring a perspective on both cultures. There's a significant different between allowing mixed sex marriages between colours and between same sex couples. I'm asking you what value gay marriages are to society in the same terms.


And gay people don't have children? You mean that there has never been a gay couple that has had children?

Okay. Gay couples may have less children than hetrosexual ones but surely that too is an advantage for society. There are too damn many people on the planet anyway :)
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SO FIND ME A ****ING SOURCE THAT PROVES GAYS ARE BORN GAY!!! so far you haven't found one either!!! WHERE ARE YOUR THOUSANDS OF ANTHROPOLOGISTS NOW!?!?!?!?!?!?


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If a male has a genetic pattern at xq28 gene loci, then he has a 70% chance of being gay, and a 30% chance of not being gay. If this configuration (xq28) is not there, there is a 100% chance of being heterosexual.



You're a moron "Cultural Anthropologists" tell you that SOCIETIES IN THE PAST HAVE HAD HOMOSEXUAL MARRIAGE

Psychologists, Psychiatrists and Genetistics tell you about the genetics

i say Xq28 70-30 Homo-Hetero is a _STRONG_ statistical correlation (infact it's a supermajority) (definition statistical correlation) which is further evidenced by the Xq28-lack 100% hetero strong statistical correlation
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Who the hell said I was trying to back Kazan up!?

I was trying to say that it is not as conclusive as Kazan says it is...


i was under the impression.  because Kazan's a tool, and you seem to be his little *****.

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You're a moron "Cultural Anthropologists" tell you that SOCIETIES IN THE PAST HAVE HAD HOMOSEXUAL MARRIAGE


well you seem to throw the term "cultural anthropologists" at anyone that disagrees with you, you've done it several times during this thread, but you've never actually proved anything these "cultural anthropologists" have said.  give us some evidence.  an article, research results... something.   because when the going gets tough, Kazan starts using big words in an attempt to confuse everyone...