Permit age here is 16. Liscence age here is 16.5... Drivers ed is manditory if you are under 18, but if you wait till you turn 18, you can bypass it, but you don't get any slight changes to your insurance. The permit test is easy, and anyone can drive down a road, but they (in my state [MA]) test you on driving correctly and making sure you can do stuff, like 3 point turns, paralell park, and hill starts/stops, along with securing you'r parked car. If you can't do all these and more perfectly on your test, you'll fail. Just out of curiosity, what state are you in jtjt? Oh, and i passed my permit the first try. I'm almost 17 now, and still need 3 hours of driving under certified observation, and 3 hours observing someone driving under certified observation... That'll take about a month from now... (my next is the 9th)... If you're going to take D.E. (which i strongly reccomend), get into it ASAP instead of putting it off... Look at me; could have had it in april...