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Which Campaigns are official canon?
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Offline Slanker

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Which Campaigns are official canon?
Um... the official FS2 campaign?  
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Which Campaigns are official canon?
I mean user created campaigns.
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Offline Taristin

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Um... Sandwich's will be... but thats about All I can think of. Most campaigns go in whichever direction the authors think is most appropriate, and therefor, are not official  

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Sandwich's goes off into the void too!!!  

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Originally posted by Raa Tor'h:
Um... Sandwich's will be... but thats about All I can think of...

Actually it will flesh out many things that are only mentioned in the main FS2 campaign (eg. the battle between the GVD Psamtik and the NYD Cyrene), and there shouldn't be any contradictions to cannon events from the main campaign, but that doesn't make it cannon. The only true cannon is as stated above: the main campaign, because it was creatd by the makers of the game/universe (the FreeSpace universe, that is...  ).

 
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Originally posted by RKIF-DragonClaw:
Sandwich's goes off into the void too!!!  

It's all a matter of your interpretation of events, as well as your opinion of conspiracy theories and all...  



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It's all a matter of your interpretation of events, as well as your opinion of conspiracy theories and all...  



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Originally posted by Slanker:
Um... the official FS2 campaign?  

The FS2 campaign is canon, as is the FS1 main campaign and Silent Threat.  However some parts of FS1 (such as the nodemap) are not canon.  Any contradictions between FS1 and FS2, go with FS2.
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Offline Ypoknons

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Which Campaigns are official canon?
Because Volition doesn't actually endorse user campaigns you can't actually say that a campaign is 'cannon', you know. For example, while for Half Life you can't say that any one of them is cannon, except for Op4 & Blue Shift, because you bought them.   Well, not quite but I hope you get the point.

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Offline Setekh

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Isn't as simple as:

  • Volition-made is canon
  • Not Volition-made is not canon


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Offline Crazy_Ivan80

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you could say that Warzone, Derelict and soon BWO will be unofficial canon, but then again you could only take Machina Terra as canon, or Warzone Twilight and The Babel-effect,...
There are lot of possible combinations to make your unofficial canon.
BTW, some descripancies between FS and FS2 (like the 3 jumpnode leading from Earth)  could be explained by using elements of the storyline.
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Offline Setekh

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I looked up 'canon':

 
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From Dictionary.com:
canon n 1: a rule or especially body of rules or principles generally established as valid and fundamental in a field or art or philosophy: "the neoclassical canon"; "canons of polite society"

So it seems like things have to be valid, and established. In the strictest sense that means that no user made campaigns can be included, although so far in campaigns like Warzone and Derelict, many events have been incorporated into the community's perception of the FS universe.

However, when we look at examples such as BWO and MT, we can see why user made campaigns cannot be canon - they can conflict. The BWO and MT campaigns are both set around the Sol system, but the similarities end there - and obviously, one campaign cannot be chosen over another as canon by the community (alternatively, Volition can make this call and designate a campaign canon).

So, is that it?  
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Offline Nico

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Which Campaigns are official canon?
well, at least, even if it's definitively a fun campaign, derelict is not "cannon" for me:
a jumping jump gate (ahem) and ships that heals in a nebulae...
Yeah, a user-made campaign can be designated as canon only by the volition people themselves. And they have their own ideas, so that won't happen (hopefully I would say, otherwise that means death for a lot of interesting or funny  ideas).
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Offline aldo_14

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a jumping jump gate (ahem) and ships that heals in a nebulae....

Oh **** !  Didn't realise that had been used
 


 

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... the volition people themselves. And they have their own ideas...

What do you think would happen if one of our ideas (any idea from any user-made campaign) actually matched Volition's idea? Only   knows what happened back at Sol, but what if one of these campaigns returning to Sol gets it right. Would   congratulate the campaign creators for reading their minds? Or would they hate the fans for using their idea when they couldn't? Or do they just not even pay attention to the modding community?

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Originally posted by Setekh:
I looked up 'canon':

 So it seems like things have to be valid, and established. In the strictest sense that means that no user made campaigns can be included, although so far in campaigns like Warzone and Derelict, many events have been incorporated into the community's perception of the FS universe.

However, when we look at examples such as BWO and MT, we can see why user made campaigns cannot be canon - they can conflict. The BWO and MT campaigns are both set around the Sol system, but the similarities end there - and obviously, one campaign cannot be chosen over another as canon by the community (alternatively, Volition can make this call and designate a campaign canon).

So, is that it?  

Canon is set, it is the highest form or 'realism' possible.  All of FS2 is canon.  'Official' is next, this being, obviously enough, officially ok'ed, but in a conflict, canon sources win.  The FS1 nodemap would be an example of official, as it is replaced by the FS2 map.

Everything the community makes falls under the heading of fanfic, which basically means it has no official standing whatsoever, and has no effect on the story.  It is an interpretation/extrapolation of the canon events, nothing more.
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Actually on the subject of Warzone, Derelict, Twilight, BWO, and tBE, I've made an effort with Twilight and tBE not to contradict what is within Warzone or Derelict.

Twilight happens prior to Derelict, and tBE is afterwards, though I do not touch on events with the Nylarathotep save for minor dialogue within tBE.

There is a lot of BWO foreshadowing in tBE in the early part of the campaign, however the later phases branch completely off from the "fan made canon."

Many choices of the Derelict designers I am currently working into tBE, albeit different then they intended as I hope to make answers which please as many as possible as well as stay true to FS canon and official sources.

tBE will more than likely be released long after BWO, and proper rewrites will be done incase of contradictions. (overall I have avoided systems touched by the BWO team save for Vasuda Prime where we have common understanding of events)

Overall I can gladly boast that tBE will have the most extensive and immersive plot of an FS2 campaign yet released, and there will be quite massive fleet engagements as well as unique and subtle situations which will require the utmost knowledge of your capacities.

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Something I just thought of... Derelict *does* seem to be accepted heavily as cannon, as I think it is in Terran Imperium or tBE. Just a thought.

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Okay, something need to be defined here: FS1, Silent Threat and FS2 are canon. Period. No "there's also...", no "such-and-such is unoficially canon...", zilch. End of list. (Yes, I know all that's been said before...)  

Now, a good portion of the FS1/2 community that produces user-made missions and campaigns tend to base their stories on Warzone/Derelict/Twilight/tBE (coming "soon")/BWO (also coming "soon"). While this adds absolutely nothing to the canon "factor" of those campaigns, they do have logical continuations of the FS2 story and many side stories that can be developed and fleshed out. But they are still neither canon nor official! Even if they hit upon the "trillion-monkeys-typing-on-a-trillion-typewriters-for-a-trillion-years" combination and ended up being exactly what   would have come up with, byte for byte, they would not be canon unless   said so.

Think of it this way: you write a fiction book. The book leaves the reader at a virtual cliffhanger, but you decide not to write a sequel. Then, a few years later, your biggest fan writes a continuation to your book on his own. It fits with what is put down as fact in your book, and it seems like a perfectly logical continuation to your book - it may even be exactly how you were thinking of continuing it. But it ain't canon simply because you, as the originator of the idea, did not write it nor endorse it.

Anyways, all that is probably completely unneeded, but my fingers just wouldn't stop...    

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Which Campaigns are official canon?
On the subject of Twilight and tBe.

Doesn't Twilight's events happen at the same time as Warzone?  The war beyond Regulus is mentioned a few times in the command breifings.  And isin't Warzone one year after Derelict?
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