[GT-Keravnos]

Or, pay up suckers, not my money anywhayyy!!!

[GT-Keravnos]

Originally posted by Ford Prefect
There are no obvious truths in economics.

Is +50 to -400 Billion $ obvious enough?

[Rictor]

Originally posted by aldo_14


What, in the sense of "Look at that Austrian loon!" ?

No, in the sense of "And this children, is how to tie the audience around your finger and make them dance like puppets". The Auestrian thing is just a coincidence.

While Arnie would certainly be different when it comes to image and all that, there is no reason to believe his policies would be any different tha Bush's or Reagan's. What saddens me is that these days, its all about image, the actual politics matter very littlle.

[Kazan]

for Schwarzenaegger to be able to be elected president the constitution must be ammended -- this consists of

getting a 75%+ supermajority in both houses of congress
getting a 75%+ supermajority in state ratifications

so unless he has a _HUGE_ popularity surge (which could only be gained by leaving the repugnanticon party) he's never going to have the slightest chance

[redmenace]

He should never be president anyway.
he is doing good things in california. But he is a womanizing jerk who would only disgrace the office. Consenting sex is one thing and a embarrisment enough outside of marriage but sexual harasment is another.

[Rictor]

he would disgrace the office?

You guys have such strange notions of what disgrace entails. Sexual harrasment is the most evil thing ever, but ordering the murder of a couple thousands innocents isn't? Nor is restricting civil liberties. Nor is breaking international law?

[Flipside]

Well, to be honest, a lot of the 'good' that Arnie does is simply by leaving stuff alone. When he does get involved, he usually manages to piss someone off, look at his whole idea about stray animals being put down after 24 hours etc.

The thought of this guy as President is scary, look what happened last time you had an actor in power

[redmenace]

international law ceases to be internation law when in fact people don't have the balls to enforce it. IE the UN.
What "thousands of innocents" were killed by the presidents order?
thirdly reagan wasn't horrible. he cut taxes and made movements in american politics that would never have come otherwise. IE welfare reform. he also stood up to communism. Such actions like help the afganis kick out the russians and the action in grenada.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by redmenace
the action in grenada.

Don't f**king get me started on the complete f**k up you Americans made in Grenada. The only danger the students were in was from American soldiers shooting at them.

[redmenace]

WHY THE F*** DOES A CARRIBEAN ISLAND NEED A 10000 foot runway for? huh? we were asked to assist by the carribean nations because they were concerned about grenada and their sovereignty. Wouldn't you? They had backing from USSR and Cuba.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by redmenace
WHY THE F*** DOES A CARRIBEAN ISLAND NEED A 10000 foot runway for? huh? we were asked to assist by the carribean nations because they were concerned about grenada and their sovereignty. Wouldn't you? They had backing from USSR and Cuba.

Obviously they needed it if the US completed building the airport years later.

Birmingham has an airport with a 9000ft long runway - does that make them an invasion target?  After all, you're less likely to take a tourist flight to Brummie-land than Grenada......

[karajorma]

Originally posted by redmenace
WHY THE F*** DOES A CARRIBEAN ISLAND NEED A 10000 foot runway for? huh? we were asked to assist by the carribean nations because they were concerned about grenada and their sovereignty. Wouldn't you? They had backing from USSR and Cuba.

Why the F**k wasn't Britain more worried then if it was a threat? Grenada is a commonwealth nation.

Why was there all this stink about how the evil cubans were holding American students prisonners when in fact they were on good terms with them and played basketball with them?

Why was there all this stink about the runway and how the cubans and Grenadan government wouldn't let them get pictures when a BBC reporter was able to just walk up to the end and film a report from there?

Why was the invasion of Grenada planned on a road map from a petrol station.


The simple fact is that like the Star Wars project the invasion of Grenada was just a case of Regan going off half cocked without waiting for information on the subject.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by karajorma


Why the F**k wasn't Britain more worried then if it was a threat? Grenada is a commonwealth nation.
 

IIRC, the Queen is the nominal head of state of Grenada ("Queen of Grenada")

[karajorma]

She's the head of state of any country in the Commonwealth (Except maybe Mozembique which was never a British colony) AFAIK.

There was a big stink about in in Australia a few years back.

[aldo_14]

They actually voted to keep 'er in a referendum though, didn't they?

Tobehonest I think the Royal Family are a bunch of scounging inbred nitwits, anyways.

[Ford Prefect]

Personal failings are not a disgrace to a public office. We don't elect officials because they're faithful to their spouses; we elect them because we trust them to do the job the way we want them to do it. I would not want Arnold to be president for the simple reason that he's right-wing and I'm not.

thirdly reagan wasn't horrible. he cut taxes and made movements in american politics that would never have come otherwise. IE welfare reform. he also stood up to communism. Such actions like help the afganis kick out the russians and the action in grenada.

Welfare reform? Yeah, if you mean making it so poor people can't get welfare, sure.

Stood up to communism? Eh, okay. That's not a major accomplishment in a country that's populated by people who equate communism with the Second Coming. And he stood up to communism by spending too much on the military after he had cut the taxes that would have funded it, as well as investing in bogus military techonology, i.e. Star Wars.

[karajorma]

I don't have a problem with the Queen actually. She does her job reasonably well. Someone has to to hold receptions etc for visiting heads of state and launch new ships.
 If we got rid of her we'd only remove an unelected monarch who is good for tourism with unelected ambassadors and celebrities who aren't

Charles should shut his mouth when talking about anything science related though. He really doesn't have a f**king clue.

[Rictor]

Originally posted by redmenace
international law ceases to be internation law when in fact people don't have the balls to enforce it. IE the UN.
What "thousands of innocents" were killed by the presidents order?
thirdly reagan wasn't horrible. he cut taxes and made movements in american politics that would never have come otherwise. IE welfare reform. he also stood up to communism. Such actions like help the afganis kick out the russians and the action in grenada.

yeah, kind of like the UN failed to condemn any number of US or Israeli actions. **** off, you just want the UN to rubber stamp whatever murder America has planned this time.

The thosands of innocents is reffering to the 15,000+ killd in Iraq, as well as the maybe 5000 killed in Afghanistan. Though if you want to look at economic policies and the "war on drugs", those numbers skyrocket.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by karajorma
I don't have a problem with the Queen actually. She does her job reasonably well. Someone has to to hold receptions etc for visiting heads of state and launch new ships.
 If we got rid of her we'd only remove an unelected monarch who is good for tourism with unelected ambassadors and celebrities who aren't

Charles should shut his mouth when talking about anything science related though. He really doesn't have a f**king clue.

Well, i don't mind the Queen so much as the hangers on.

Of course, there is a Glaswiegan tendency to be 'rough' working class and dislike the super rich / posh.  Even for someone like me, who comes from what is pretty much middle class household in the 'burbs.

[Flipside]

Enforcement doesn't always mean 'kill everyone who does it', sometimes it means 'stop the number of killings till we can find out what's causing it'.

The UN are a peacekeeping force. Have you ever wondered why a Police officers badge is in the shape of a shield? Because that is what they do, they act as a shield between the guilty and the innocent. That doesn't mean they go in guns blazing when they are not sure which is which.