[Flipside]

http://news.yahoo.com/fc?tmpl=fc&cid=34&in=world&cat=Russia

At least. in my opinion.

[redmenace]

So flipside what do you think. Can you negotiate with these quacks?

[Gloriano]

****ing terrorist there is childrens in that school I hope that terrorist aren't gonna blow that school (Because it's not childrens fault that Russian attacked to Chechen)

Goddamit that is just wrong

[Flipside]

As always, I am sure they have justified the attack to themselves. But I can never, ever, justify the threatening of those who are innocent of the crimes they are being punished for.

I detested the endangerment of innocents in Iraq, I detested the endangerment of innocents in the bombing in Spain and I equally detest the endangerment of innocents in Russia.

Can they be reasoned with, I don't know, but even if they can, the crime they have commited still stands.

[Rictor]

its already in the others thread

as I said, not even Putin would dare to do what he did in te theatre, there are children involved.

I simply don't understand what sane person would not grant the their demands. Occupying Chechnya evidently, has of drawbacks, but I don't see any benefits. Its not particularly strategic, there are AFAIK no great natural resources...so why? The reasonable thing to do in the situation would be to withdraw the troops.

...but thas just me.

[Tiara]

Didn't expect anything better from them eventually. Stupid asswipes.

On a sidenote;

Middle School No. 1

They have a really inventive naming system in Russia...

[Tiara]

Originally posted by Rictor
I simply don't understand what sane person would not grant the their demands.

A sane person would know that when a country gives in once, terrorists will flock to that country to get their point across and things will only escalate more.

[Flipside]

Is it me, or does there seem to be some kind of competition going on between these various Terrorist groups of 'My act of Terrorism is more horrific than yours, so there!'.

It's like they've set 9/11 as some sort of 'measuring rod' for themselves

[Gloriano]

Chechen's terrorists should already know where this is leading, IF they blow that school they are playing with fire now. fire that gonna be unleashed in some form, I'am sure that Russian will take revenge somehow.

[aldo_14]

Do the Russians still wrap the bodies of Muslim/Chechen suicide bombers in pigskin, BTW?

[Flipside]

As an aside, It doesn't make a differenece if they do to be honest, the Quoran states that the bodies of Martyrs are so pure that they do not even need to be cleaned of blood etc, and that nothing can taint it.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Flipside
As an aside, It doesn't make a differenece if they do to be honest, the Quoran states that the bodies of Martyrs are so pure that they do not even need to be cleaned of blood etc, and that nothing can taint it.

Shame.... it'd be nice to take away the one thing these bastards are relying upon.

[F1gm3nt]

Terrorists IMHO are nothing more then a clutch of cowards. This latest example from Russia just exagerates the point. The reasons for taking a school are tactically obvious and apperant. It still makes the act no less an act of cowardice. Understanding that even though these people feel that they have no other choice than to resort to this form of negotiation, it is still a shame regardless of their religous beliefs, IMO.

[Flipside]

For me, at least, this is in an entirely different league to 9/11 though. As cowardly and disgusting as that act was.

To deliberately go into a school, and stand before children and threaten their lives to achieve a political goal that these children probably doesn't even know exists is beneath humanity.

For all of it's evil, the Trade Centre can, in some long routed way, be defined as a symbol of Al Queerda's hatred, of American financial dominance in the East, but what has this school, these children done to harm the Chechens?

[Rictor]

If the Chechen seperatists are terrorists, the Russian military (under both Yeltsin and Putin) are the kings of all the terrorists. 150,000 dead is no small feat.

...and just so this is not misinterpreted, I obviously do not support the taking of hostages, particulaly kids. So its more of a matter of condemnding both sides (Russians more heavily).

[an0n]

Originally posted by F1gm3nt
Terrorists IMHO are nothing more then a clutch of cowards. This latest example from Russia just exagerates the point. The reasons for taking a school are tactically obvious and apperant. It still makes the act no less an act of cowardice. Understanding that even though these people feel that they have no other choice than to resort to this form of negotiation, it is still a shame regardless of their religous beliefs, IMO.

See, this is why you'll never be a general.

Even the lowliest idiot knows that, when waging war against a superior opponent, you must find any and all weaknesses and exploit them fully.

The Russians aren't likely to hose a school with bullets. That's a weakness. And it's being exploited.

I suppose you'd feel better if they went and took a few hundred death-row convicts hostage, but that's just too ****ing bad. Seen as the point of taking hostages is to take someone your opponent values.


If I was Putin, I'd have the school and everyone inside it burned to death with napalm.

[Flipside]

That's the saddest part of it Rictor, I know that atrocities are being commited on both sides, it's the ones we don't hear about that are the worst.

It's never changed, even when wars were fought mostly 'cleanly', on an open field, who was it who was holding the spears and sword and forming the front lines? Usually peasants who had little or no true idea what they were fighting for. It's never changed really, the battlefield is different, but the casualties will always be the same.

[vyper]

[q]If I was Putin, I'd have the school and everyone inside it burned to death with napalm.[/q]

Indeed, take away the advantage. However, you'd have to do it without the public knowing it was the Govt forces that did it.

[ionia23]

Originally posted by Rictor
its already in the others thread

as I said, not even Putin would dare to do what he did in te theatre, there are children involved.

I simply don't understand what sane person would not grant the their demands. Occupying Chechnya evidently, has of drawbacks, but I don't see any benefits. Its not particularly strategic, there are AFAIK no great natural resources...so why? The reasonable thing to do in the situation would be to withdraw the troops.

...but thas just me.

Great idea, Ric.  And then it's open season on kids all over Russia.

Those poor kids are dead anyway.  Time to do what needs to be done.

[an0n]

Uh, no.

I'd make sure everyone knew what had happened.

The Chechen's aren't the 'die for the cause' kinda people. They're guerilla fighters, not suicide troops. So they'd be far less inclined to continue their bull**** if they knew any hostage situations would be bombed.