[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Ulala


What about Kerry's character? Shouldn't he have been fighting the Vietnam war instead of getting himself on video? Then again, I know jack about politics...

Wasn't that after being discharged?

EDIT: found an interesting snippet, RE: Vietnam war atrocities.  Coalin Powell (yes, that one) was tasked with investigating the My Lai massacre, issuing a report which was apparently a whitewashing of the event.  Make of that what you will.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by PeachE
but if you're saying that it isn't joining that national guard that makes him a coward, why is he a coward?

Cause he spouts off all the time about how people have a duty to serve their country in times of war but wasn't willing to do so himself and instead deliberately took a job that he knew would keep him from having to go to war.

Did you see Bush offering his soliders the chance to morally object against going to war in Iraq? If you think Bush has the right to avoid the draft because vietnam wasn't a war worth fighting don't you think that the average US marine should be able to make the same choice?

Originally posted by Ulala
What about Kerry's character?

Did I ever say that Kerry wasn't a complete w**ker? The topic was about Bush. He's a ******. Had I been talking about Kerry I'd have called him a ****** too.

The thing is that most of the people voting for Kerry know he's a ******. They're voting for him cause they think he's less likely to f**k up the country than Bush.

Bush supporters on the other hand are deluded into thinking he's the 1.5th coming. They don't seem able to see that he's an even bigger w**ker than Kerry. They constantly attack Kerry's character and claim he's lied and cheated but they don't apply the same standards to their own leader.

That's wrong. You have to hold up Bush to the same standards you hold Kerry up to.  And that's why stuff like this that shows Bush's character is important.

[Ford Prefect]

The National Guard thing is moot to me. I would sooner eat horse manure than take up arms for anyone's cause, so I don't blame anyone for evading combat service. I also fail to understand why these issues of military service are all that relevant to the current political campaign.

BTW, Hannity has become too shrill for me most of the time and Savage is just being honest when no one else will, when he mentions "limited nuclear strikes" he means "block buster" class strikes in the less than one KT range, it's clean and very dramatic. They(the Islamo-Fascists) will fall in line only if we use undeniable force. They are the only people on Earth who count teenagers in a Discotek fair targets and send their own children out to fight, while the men stay and hide behind the women.

Nobody's going to "fall in line." People have been trying to make each other "fall in line" since the dawn of civilization, and the fact than anyone advocates the use of any nuclear weapons sends shivers up my spine. Mike Savage is the most abominable fountain of venomous, hateful insanity I have ever heard in the mainstream media. It takes about three words out of him to make my blood boil.

[Rictor]

I should point out that Russia is also responding to Bush's resurgent love of nukes with their own tests and weapons reserached. Bush is developing mini-nukes, designed as bunker busters, so Russia is doing the same.

Yay, we've gotten back on the arms race horse. And the militarization of space is even worse.

Originally posted by aldo_14
EDIT: found an interesting snippet, RE: Vietnam war atrocities.  Coalin Powell (yes, that one) was tasked with investigating the My Lai massacre, issuing a report which was apparently a whitewashing of the event.  Make of that what you will.

Yup, thats the "moderate" in Washington right now.

[aldo_14]

I think the main issue over Bush's non-service in 'Nam is that he has led the US into a war which may become the modern day equivalent... and that, if he has not experienced that, is he really capable of understanding and managing the decisions before, during and after it?

[Liberator]

The only reason Vietnam went on as long as it did was because of the bloody, gutless politicans getting in the way of the natural progression of things.  It's why MacArthur quit after all.

[aldo_14]

I presume you're advocating bombing the entire country back to the stone age, then?  I mean, sure, everyone is dead - but hey, better dead than red!

[karajorma]

Yeah. If the politicians hadn't gotten in the way you could have just sprayed more Agent Orange and left the commies who survived the carpet napalming to have mutated babies right?

[Kosh]

Not to mention the non-commies.....

They are fake, no doubt about it,

So they're fake in your fantasy world, big deal.

The purpose of the electoral college is to equallize the value of each state

Please check your facts again. California has over 50 electoral votes while Alaska has 3. Hawaii has 4 electoral votes while Texas has over 25. Does that equalize the value? Hardly.

[Bobboau]

back on topic, for all of you who said there were no false documents and that anyone who disagreed with you was a right wing asshat, there about to basicly admit it them selves

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6039473/

[Rictor]

I guess investigative journalism isn't what it used to be...

[Bobboau]

now just to clarify, the son of a senitor _is_ going to get preferental treatment, I'm not going to defend Bush.

but this situation speaks only to the... 'enthusiasm' by wich some people in the media are to bring it up, in sync with a Kerry counter to the sift boat-thing I might add.

but honestly this is all (swift boat thing included) just a bunch political charicter assassination bull****, and totaly irrelivent, what someone did 30 years ago when they were 20 years old has little to do with what there going to do in the next four.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Bobboau
now just to clarify, the son of a senitor _is_ going to get preferental treatment, I'm not going to defend Bush.

but this situation speaks only to the... 'enthusiasm' by wich some people in the media are to bring it up, in sync with a Kerry counter to the sift boat-thing I might add.

but honestly this is all (swift boat thing included) just a bunch political charicter assassination bull****, and totaly irrelivent, what someone did 30 years ago when they were 20 years old has little to do with what there going to do in the next four.

Well, arguably it is, as a judge of someones decision making processes.  Regardless of validity, it's a tactic both sides are enthusiastic about using.

What is more important, I think, is that this Bush-militia furore has been pretty effectively manipulated to divert attention from more important issues.  Whilst I'd say the character of a candidate is important, it's far less important than, say, foreign relations or the economy.