[Rictor]

They stole0rz my idea. My only complaint is that somehow, Nader is missing from the top 3, and yet the Socialist Party (never heard of them, and neither I suspect have you) is in second, ahead of the Greens (who would have been my second choice). Oh and Kerry is leading, which just plain sucks, and considering that this is, I assume, mostly being done by people outside of the US, shows a bit of a lack of information.

http://www.usworldvote.org/

Oh well, pass it on.

[Knight Templar]

Well, seeing as you all want to be citizens and vote and all, I guess paying taxes wouldn't hurt either. You know, the more you help us, the more we can help you.

[Rictor]

Paying taxes has nothing to do with political voice, it has to do with using the services provided by those taxes. Like using American roads, getting protection from American cops, getting mail from the American postal service and so forth.

The basic premise is, if a certain policy has an effect on you, you are entitled to a say in the matter. For example, my neighbor can't sell my house to someone and call it "foreign policy". Since I live in the house, and that decision affects me, I should be able to at the very least have an equal vote.

Though a nice first step would be to actually give *American* citizens some power over policy, as in refferendums and so forth, not just picking the lesser of two evils every 4 years. For example, if the war in Iraq had been put to a popular vote, with 60% needed to pass, do you think it would have happened? Much less giving Iraqis the vote.

[Knight Templar]

Well, I was half kidding. But you'll be wishing you had been paying your voting taxes when we run out of money to fund our planes and bombs that come in and save you from your despotic rulers.

[Ace]

Originally posted by Knight Templar
Well, I was half kidding. But you'll be wishing you had been paying your voting taxes when we run out of money to fund our planes and bombs that come in and save you from your despotic rulers.

They hate our freedom KT, remember that

Note: This was a joke.

[an0n]

I hate your freedom.

[Bobboau]

there actualy was quite a lot of suport for the war when it started, now it's at about 50% goes back and forth within a 20% zone

[Flipside]

Actually, if it truly practiced what it preached and stood up for what it claims to, I would be quite happy to pay tax to America in order to have a say in it's political system, including the same human and civil rights. The ideals that America is built on could, with some work, form the basis of a global culture. However, the reality of America is that it is no better than anyone else. I'd like to see a Global Government, simply because it leaves no-one who isn't a civilian to wage war on, and you have to try to be very fair when you are a few hundred thousand people working for billions of them

Still, I'm sure we'd find some way to turn it into a disaster

[Liberator]

I've recently come to the realization that Kerry is a bastard.  Before, I just thought he was a political weasel with no character and little in the way of morality.  

I now realize that he hasn't changed one damn bit from the traitorous bastard who lied 35 years ago to Congress and the American people about the goings on in Vietnam and met with North Vietnamese officials in Paris and has a monument in the Hall of Heroes in Hanoi.  He is trying to use the war for his own purposes and everthing and everybody else be damned.  I hope Satan has a special place for that vermin somewhere in Hell.

[Flipside]

Now...this is just a hunch mind, but are you, by any slight chance, a Republican?

[Rictor]

stay of topic (ish) please.
Who's bothered to vote, and for whom?

BTW Lib, his speech to Congress may have been the one time in his life when Kerry told the truth. Or are you one of those people who are still of the opinion that Vietnam was a great and just war?

[Setekh]

"I voted for Nader! I hate everybody!"

Sorry, couldn't resist. Still itching for Season 3.

[Rictor]

What's that from?

I like it.

[Kosh]

I now realize that he hasn't changed one damn bit from the traitorous bastard who lied 35 years ago to Congress and the American people about the goings on in Vietnam

Check your facts. He didn't lie to congress about americans committing atrocities in Vietnam. That actually happened. I think you should re examine your flawed conclusions with TRUTH.

He is trying to use the war for his own purposes and everthing and everybody else be damned.

He is doing that now, but Bush exploited 9/11 on numerous occasions as well as Iraq. I don't see you blasting him on that. Why not?

[Bobboau]

RvB I think,

if you want to vote in an American election emigrate to America, simple.

[Bobboau]

without questioning wather crimes were commited in Vietnam, are you sure he witnessed them

[Rictor]

Sure he witnessed them, he commited them.

By his own admission, he did witness them, and I think thats pretty likely considering he was involved with Phoenix.

[Setekh]

Originally posted by Rictor
What's that from?

I like it.

Bob was right, it's Red vs. Blue. I can't find the link to this particular video, unfortunately, they must have taken it down.

[Flipside]

Originally posted by Rictor
stay of topic (ish) please.

Freudian slip?

Besides this is HLP, the 'Fractal Thread' Forum

[Liberator]

Originally posted by Kosh


Check your facts. He didn't lie to congress about americans committing atrocities in Vietnam.

I will cop to that...with one caveat.  It was WAR, despite whatever the politicians called it.  Atrocities happen in war, I won't defend the atrocities that did happen, I refuse to believe that it was as common as Kerry has everyone believing.

He is doing that now, but Bush exploited 9/11 on numerous occasions as well as Iraq. I don't see you blasting him on that. Why not?

A minor difference, the tragedy of 9/11 defined Bush's term in office.  Kerry is just glomming on.

Now, answer me this question.  And think very hard about your answer before you give it.

If you are going to vote for Kerry, are you voting for him because he's John F. Kerry, The most liberal senator in Washington and wannabe war hero, or is it because he is not George W. Bush.  Also, if you are for him because he's John F. Kerry, give me one concrete promise that he has made in his campaign and not flip-floped at least once on.

I'll give you the only one:  He's promised to raise taxes on the wealthiest Americans.  Wealthy being anyone who makes ~$100,000 a year or more.

'Cause they can afford it is no a good reason.  They worked for their money just like the rest of us and they are more likely to spend it in the creation of new capital creation, IE purchasing Big Ticket items or starting their own business which in turn creates jobs.  I've never heard of a poor person starting a small business.