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Offline BlackDove

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It's one thing to have a founded opinion on facts, and to not have one.

Kazan has a pretty solid case against the religious people. I'm quite sure he doesn't "hate" people because they are following religions, however I'm quite sure he resents them for doing so (when it comes to that aspect in their lives).

Apples and Oranges, etcetera.

 

Offline aldo_14

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Originally posted by Kazan
bigotry in general - want specifics? bigotry against homosexuals, bigotry against other races, bigotry against other countries, bigotry between different religions

when does it end?


when humanity dies out or is lobotomised.

 Fear, hate, prejudice, whatever - it's just a dark side of our psyche, the opposite of all the positive & good things about.  We can't pick and choose what we feel, or why we feel it.

Yeah, you can remove a lot of it - better teaching, more cultural intermixing, etc.  But you can't eradicate it, because it's part of humanity.

(Um, Kaz - shouldn't you just make it 'bigotry against religions'?  Because its evident that you don't have to subscribe to a particular faith to be bigoted against another, you can see that all the time.)

 

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Unsolved diferences continue to clash,
Unprovoked hate looses it's wings,
Spawning the entire world with fire,
Turning everything to ash,
Whatever comes, whatever brings,
Can only end at the pyre.


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Offline Kazan

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i would remind ionia that while i denounce religions i do not "hate" their members, unless those members are actively assaulting the rights of others

furthermore I do not descriminate against members of the religions - as HotSnoj can testify to
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Offline aldo_14

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Originally posted by Kazan
i would remind ionia that while i denounce religions i do not "hate" their members, unless those members are actively assaulting the rights of others

furthermore I do not descriminate against members of the religions - as HotSnoj can testify to


I didn't say that you (if you're referring to my prev. post) did, just that people do and it's always good to make sure these people are held in equal contempt to other bigots.

And, knowing your opinions, people could take that phrase as a little dig at religion in general, and thus whine and...well, we all know where those discussions go

:)

 

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Offline Corsair

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Oh, and bigotry ends...well...never. Not from lack of trying to end it though...
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Offline vyper

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Bigotry ends when time itself ceases to exist. You cannot vanquish bigotry, although you can limit and reduce it. Much like sales tax ;)

 

Offline Aspa

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Bigotry stops when people stop worrying about meaningless problems and stuff.

Like the gender problem, or the race problem, or the religion problem, or the bigotry problem :)

I mean, just relax and accept things as they are. If you don't like something, move away... don't go searching for problems and trouble.

 

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Alright, just the ping pong?
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Originally posted by Aspa
Bigotry stops when people stop worrying about meaningless problems and stuff.

Like the gender problem, or the race problem, or the religion problem, or the bigotry problem :)

I mean, just relax and accept things as they are. If you don't like something, move away... don't go searching for problems and trouble.


I agree. Sadly, it doesn't work that way. :sigh:

 

Offline Rictor

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Bigotry says when I say so.
So far, no one has given me a good enough reason, so I'm inclined to let it go on. Same with war, poverty and Britney Speers.

 

Offline BlackDove

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Bigotry says when I say so.


Couldn't agree more. :lol:

 

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Sadly, Kazan, as you might find out sooner or later, bigotry will never end as long as there are flawed human beings in the world, and that means all of us are bigots.

Human emotion is a complicated matrix, and when we get aggrivated or frustrated, the anger is vented out on blaming someone else more easily than on other things. As long as there are people who are different than we are, having different views, and as long as we are still unperfect and the human beings we are, there will always be bigotry. The only possible way to eliminate it is to make everyone think as one giant computer and have everyone believe the same thing, which I would fight to protect our individuality as a species.

Trust me, bigotry is not going to end, so dont try and make it end. You can soften it up by making people realize what they do to others, but dont expect it to go away. Everyone has done it, everyone WILL do it, everyone in some part of the world is doing it now.

 

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I think the question here is this: Do we believe it is worth it to fight the unwinnable?

I don't know what I believe.
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Offline Kazan

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Sadly, Kazan, as you might find out sooner or later, bigotry will never end as long as there are flawed human beings in the world, and that means all of us are bigots.


I know this already, i was just percipitating discussion
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Nothing to discuss if it will never end.

 

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