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We thank you for protecting are country.  God bless you. And keep up the good work.

 
Even though I'm an American I must point out there was no visible threat from Iraq and the attack was mostly offensive.

 

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Now, if I may ask, who exactly are they protecting it from? Wo is it that threatens America?

I'm working my way through the wonderful book Sorrows of Empire, and it makes some rather brilliant points on the subject of militarism.

The military-industrial complex has become the status quo, as it was never meant to be, so that now, there is an army, indeed a whole military class, without an enemy, and hence, a purpose. The US was never intended to have a standing army during peace-time, the founding fathers considered it, rightly so, as a threat to liberty. You see, in that past hundred years or so, the US has been moving steadily towards empire, and is now perhaps the most expansive in history,

When you say "protecting America", you don't really mean America as a physical location, as the national territory of America, as most other countries do. You mean "American interests" which is anyone that threatens US hegemony. Iraq (and Iran, Syria, North Korea and others) are in no way a threat to America, they are a threat, or rather an obstacle, to American interests, which is generally military occupation and the profits of American corporations which influence policy.

Maybe you ought to shake that grey matter around a bit and ponder this point.

oh and, I'm Rictor. Seeing as how you're new, you'll very quickly come to recognize me as the bastard who loves to argue politics and can't keep his mouth shut.
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Even though I'm an American I must point out there was no visible threat from Iraq and the attack was mostly offensive.


Yes and you also said the SCP was warez......:wtf:


I dont particularly care if their was a cause was a right one or not, the fact that theyre doing their job and  putting their lives on the line for their country is somthing that demands respect in my opinion. Sorry im a bit biased in this...
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I agree with Rictor.
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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I dont particularly care if their was a cause was a right one or not


Ladies and gentlemen, I rest my case.

Wow, that was easier than expected.

 

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Spoken like a true Democrat, taking everything out of context. I said nothing of your statments of who or what America is defending. I only said that they deserve respect. Nice try though;)
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Respect, maybe. Hitler deserves respect, he managed to do quite alot. But what you are showing is support, not respect. Respect does not entail support or endoresement.

What I can not understand is how you and so many other support the army regardless of what they are doing or what their goals are. If they are saving lives you support them just the same as if they are taking them. Of course their purpose matters, thats the reason they are doing what they are doing. I can be the best, er....swimmer in the world, and that desrves respect, but if I'm swimming in order to lets say kill all the Russians in the world, then  what I am doing is not right.

They may be putting their lives of the line, but if that is for a bad cause, what does it matter?

And yes, I realize you said respect not support, but its quite evident that you do also support them, judging by your posts in politcal threads on here.

edit: I am NOT a Democrat. I badmouth Kerry more tha  Bush.
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Spoken like a true Democrat, taking everything out of context. I said nothing of your statments of who or what America is defending. I only said that they deserve respect. Nice try though;)




[sarcasm] It's not like Republicans have never taken anything out of context. [/sarcasm]


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"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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But not as publicy or as loudly as the good ol' Dems:p

Ric, I spose I do support them, due to family ties and the fact that I think things should done in the world. No I dont think we should maintain a peacekeeping force or set up new countries but I think dictators and terrorists should be gotten rid of. Since we are the only country that seems to use force everyone criticizes us. The UN's solutions dont work, economic sanctioning doesnt really do much. It affects the innocent people yall whine n ***** about us affecting, not the leaders, not the people who make the decisions. Iraq had it for about 13/14 years didnt seem to bug them, **** Cuba has been under them since the 60's theyre doin fine(Im Cuban, have family there). Force is the only thing morons like Sadamm and Qadaffi respond to. So the military does their job only to be criticized by a bunch of *****es who wont do anything to help themselves or anyone else.

and you may not be a democrat but you seem liberal as hell
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oh and eagleclaw how many troops do you think that are actually doing anything check this board very frequently?
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Respect, maybe. Hitler deserves respect, he managed to do quite alot. But what you are showing is support, not respect. Respect does not entail support or endoresement.

What I can not understand is how you and so many other support the army regardless of what they are doing or what their goals are. If they are saving lives you support them just the same as if they are taking them. Of course their purpose matters, thats the reason they are doing what they are doing. I can be the best, er....swimmer in the world, and that desrves respect, but if I'm swimming in order to lets say kill all the Russians in the world, then  what I am doing is not right.

They may be putting their lives of the line, but if that is for a bad cause, what does it matter?

And yes, I realize you said respect not support, but its quite evident that you do also support them, judging by your posts in politcal threads on here.

edit: I am NOT a Democrat. I badmouth Kerry more tha  Bush.


I blame the politicians, not the troops.  It's the job of the army to defend their country, but not to identify the threat... at the end of day they have no choice but to obey the politicians, because if they didn't, then they wouldn't be much of a defense.

Oh, NightHammer - sanctions kept Iraq from getting WMD, so they did work in that example, as UNMOVIC and the ISG have proven.  The objection to the US throwing about its military & political might is because it doesn't do so in anyones interest beyond its own.  Whilst it's understandable that a country would only look after itself, it doesn't make it any more palatable to the rest of the world.

And look at the actual meaning of the word 'liberal' next time you use it, then you might realise when it can be correctly used.  Liberal != US Democrat.

 

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I think we can all agree on one point: Sooner or later, everyone gets what's coming to them....
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I think we can all agree on one point: Sooner or later, everyone gets what's coming to them....


History seems to concur.

 

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Good points Rictor. I concur.

 

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MeowMix's statement in this thread is insightful

his comments in otherthreads however show that he's a total freaking retard
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Says the guy who just never lets go of the bone...
"I.....don't.....CARE!!!!!" ---- an0n
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Dont get me wrong, I think Sadam was an evil in the world, a madman, and needed getting rid of. What I have a problem with is the fact that this wasnt enough for the 'Grand Coalition' forces. Blair is now, I think, finished politically, though not entirely because of the war, while Bush still seems to stand a good chance of staying, partly due to Kerry's dullness and inability to rip him to pieces as any capable opponent should be able to.

This despite the fact that even Bushs closest aids, Cheneys recent statement, however unclear, about no links between Al'Queda and Iraq, are now begining to wobble on previous claims.

Its just the blind faith Americans seem to put in their leaders and treat any criticism of them as an attack on their country, way of life, and liberty and all the rest.

I serve in the reserve forces (Irish, which are admittedly pretty pathetic) and am thinking about trying for the regulars, Cadets, (which are actually really well trained) so I sympathise completely with the soldiers. Their situation is even worse now that the great and just quest has been exposed as a fraud.

But its pretty typical I think of Bushs Presidency. The little guy feels the squeeze while bush has the lights turned down so he doesnt have to look bad squinting.
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The thing with America is that, since the Twin Towers got rocket-plane'd, they've had this "You're un-American" crap crammed into their throat holes.

Basically, because they're all *****es, every last one of them, they all yielded to the onslaught of the "If you criticize, you're an unpatriotic, treasonous, beard-loving, Arab bastard!" brainwashing.

It's sad to see, but when 90% of the population is rednecks, drug dealers, NRA psychos and trailer-park trash you've got to expect this kind of ****.
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