[Gloriano]

Shivans just blow stuff and GTVA is so small that most shivan fleet ingores them

[Ransom]

Originally posted by kietotheworld
The monlogues are OPINIONS for Christ's sake, I know they are created by :V: but that is just to make you feel scared of the Shivans and add a sense of mystery.

I'm sorry, but no. That's like writing a book and then in the last paragraph saying 'Everything before this paragraph is wrong and nothing to do with the truth.' If you were speculating on a real species, then sure. But you don't throw scraps of information about a species like Volition has if the scraps are completely irrelevant and useless; they're clues.

[Eishtmo]

Originally posted by Ransom Arceihn

I'm sorry, but no. That's like writing a book and then in the last paragraph saying 'Everything before this paragraph is wrong and nothing to do with the truth.' If you were speculating on a real species, then sure. But you don't throw scraps of information about a species like Volition has if the scraps are completely irrelevant and useless; they're clues.

Read the monologs again.  Every line of it is by an Ancient trying to come to grips with what happened, with why it happened.  Basically, it's a eulogy, written with the perspective of time and the inevitable death that was soon to come to the writer.  There are facts there, yes, but it tells us nothing of the Shivan's motives, only their actions.  They attached a motive to it, that the Ancients had sinned, and the Shivans came to punish them, but it is never stated that Shivans themselves told them that.  The author decided, in the last few moments of life, that it was a divine punishment for the sins of an entire race, but it is not a record of what the Shivans thought about the event, or why they did what they did.

[Ransom]

Originally posted by Eishtmo
Read the monologs again.  Every line of it is by an Ancient trying to come to grips with what happened, with why it happened.  Basically, it's a eulogy, written with the perspective of time and the inevitable death that was soon to come to the writer.  There are facts there, yes, but it tells us nothing of the Shivan's motives, only their actions.  They attached a motive to it, that the Ancients had sinned, and the Shivans came to punish them, but it is never stated that Shivans themselves told them that.  The author decided, in the last few moments of life, that it was a divine punishment for the sins of an entire race, but it is not a record of what the Shivans thought about the event, or why they did what they did.

I know they're not a record - that's not what I meant. My point was I don't think they're simply meaningless either, whether metaphorically or otherwise I believe they are clues.

[Hippo]

Ooh... Deja Vu...


[q]Hippo on SG:

We keep allpying the Anthropromprphic Fallacy to shivans. ie: the fact that they would think just like we do. They don't. Or at least we can't assume they do. Therefore anything tahs is supposed to be correct because it seems logical, immediately makes it flawed.[/q]


I stand by that... Though i still like Stryke9's random one from a while back...

[Fergus]

I never, ever want to get the mystery behind the Shivans.  Fs2 was great in that it never actually told you anything about them (Trust me, you may think it did-but it didnt).  Our expectations of what they are, are wrong.  We can only be disapointed by what they really are (a handy foe for Alpha 1 to kill inbetween Vasudans and Terrans).

[mnftg64]

I believe this topic is the perfect reason why FS3 should never be made.. at least no the FS3 that many people want to see. It has probably been stated but if that FS3 comes and the Shivans are explained... what is left. This community is kept alive by, whether you admit it or not, the mystery of the Shivans. That mystery inspires people to make campaigns and those campaigns inspire new ships, weapons and on the grander scale the art that is SCP. Though I go on spurs of being around the community and not being here, I still love the fact that with every development, every theory, every campaign that is created, we do 2 things.

1) we come closer to realizing the end of the story of Freespace

but...

2) as we come close we distance ourselves from that same end so that it never comes.

Is summary, this theory may be way off, but it shows that people are still inspired by the same story we all first played back in 98-99 (whatever year it came out).

[Knight Templar]

Meh. The theory bores me too.

[AlphaOne]

Well i believe that the shivans dont realy destroy for the fun of it but rather to make way for new more powerfull civilizations in order to battle the bigger problem more efectiveli..just think how much the GTVA evolved durin a 3 decade period!
Thats mi opinion!

[Falcon]

Question what brought the Shivans into the first Freespace to begin with?

[AlphaOne]

 the Terran Vasudan war...???Well it makes sense maibe they detected the larg subspac activiti and decided to find out who was dooing all the travel remember that most of the GTVA sistems were one Ancient sistems....so...when they saw that it was a war they decided that it was time to act one again to make way for a new specie..i think!

[Kie99]

Originally posted by Falcon
Question what brought the Shivans into the first Freespace to begin with?

If this is to do with my theory then the LF detected the subspace activity and decided to kill the Subspace travellers.

[Deepstar]

Or the Shivan thought, that the Ancients have survived

[Falcon]

I don't know why but I keep thinking that the Vasudans were in a previous war with the Shivans before the Terran-Vasudan war......

[Lightspeed]

No. The shivans are a new threat to the Vasudans as well, only do they have a bit of "prophetic knowledge" from the ancients.