[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Stealth


"imperfect hand" and "imperfect translation"?  where are you getting those quotes from?

see thing is, if the writers were inspired by God, don't you think God would make sure they put the points He wants in their writings?  kind of defeats the purpose of "divinely inspired" if they don't... think about it

Unless the writing of the book was also a test of how means' bias would skew the religion.  I mean.... if there is a single God, then why are there / have there been so many contrasting different religions?

[Ghostavo]

Also the "imperfect translation" might also mean that god may have tried to comunicate something there wasn't a word for it at the time.

Stealth, PM.

[Knight Templar]

Originally posted by Raa
I'm more inclined to believe it's a mixture or 3 and 4, with a little bit 5 mixed in...

With a (somewhat optimistic) realistic view, I think it could be 2 or 5 or both. Taking over the world would be a good one though.

[Liberator]

Originally posted by aldo_14


Unless the writing of the book was also a test of how means' bias would skew the religion.  I mean.... if there is a single God, then why are there / have there been so many contrasting different religions?

Because Satan/Lucifer/The Devil makes a policy of decieving Man as often as possible and is not above portraying himself as God.

[Bobboau]

that post will come back to haunt you.

[Singh]

Originally posted by Liberator


Because Satan/Lucifer/The Devil makes a policy of decieving Man as often as possible and is not above portraying himself as God.

You leave such a point open I really want to pick on it.

but not now. I'm going to wait for anyone else to rip it apart first before having going at it tonight

[Stealth]

I actually stand behind Liberator's view:  for a Christian, that's the primary explanation for the many religions...

[Bobboau]

I guese it's also the primary explaination why you are trying to oppress and foment hatered for people who have done nothing to you, under the name of 'God'.

[Liberator]

I'm not trying to oppress or foment hatred of anybody.  I don't hate the people, just the behavior because I believe it's a negative behavior.

Buddhists are okay since it's mostly a series of behaviors that aren't at odds with Christianity.

Muslims I can live with mostly, but they are the ones with the holy book that tells them to convert at the end of a sword.

You can't really use the Old Testament to judge Christianity because we aren't bound by it.  Christ's sacrifice signifies the creation of a new covenant with God that overrides the old one the Jews have.  You just have to choose to partake in the new covenant.  There are many important lessons in the OT, but it's just that, a book of lessons on how God want's us to behave.

Modern Chrisitanity takes the needed  parts of the bible and reinforces them and leaves out truly horrific parts because they have less meaning in a Christian's life.

[Anaz]

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"Lets just leave out the bad parts! Then everything will be happy!"

[Knight Templar]

It's like watching PBS.

[Rictor]

Lib: if you're leaving out the bad, gruesome parts now, who's to say that in 25 years, it won't be common practice to ignore all those inconvenient parts about homosexuals, sodomites and so on.

To me, religion is not a set of laws, since as we have seen, those laws bend, and rightly so, to cultural progress. If thats all religion is, just going through the motions (and I'm not implying that that is what it is for you, just in general) then frankly I don't see the point. It ought to be something deeper, no? Thats what so bothersome to me about some of the more extremist preachers and evangelsists right now, they take the letter of the Bible over the content. What happened to tolerance, piety, and peace  (turn the other cheek). It seems to me that, while supposedly representing Christianity, people like Pat Robertson & Co are really misrepresenting it, to the point that they have turned 180 degrees from some of the more fundamental aspect of the faith.

Or thats the way it seems to me.

[Liberator]

Rictor, what you don't understand is that until recently, Christianity has been turning the other cheek.  It's just that Robertson & Co. counterparts on the otherside have raised the stakes with gay marriage and a myriad of other blasphemies that we can't just sit idly by while our way of life is changed for the worse.  Homosexuality is a sin in every major religion on Earth.  By allowing Gays to marry, we will have allowed, through inaction, an inexcusable blasphemy against God.

Tolerance and peace are noble goals.  But don't shake a man's hand if he has a knife in the other one.  The people who support gay marriage ultimately also support the complete obliteration of Christianity, Judaism and every other form of organized religion on Earth, because they suffer from a delusion that by killing the messengers they can kill the message that their behaviors are wrong, no matter how right it feels, and that they'll then be able to get away with whatever they want.  It won't be like that, someone will always stand for what is right in this world, despite the oppositions best efforts.

[Knight Templar]

Right, because all homos hate God and therefore, should be utterly crushed.

[Liberator]

No, their support of gay marriage has nothing to do with being homosexual or not, it is because it represents a slap in the face to upstanding moral ofttimes Christian people in the United States.

Gay marriage is about the benfits, social and financial, that heterosexual couples get.  The problem is that regardless of how many lawsuits are filed, research done in why some people are homosexual, ect, homosexuality has always and will continue to have a stigma in Western Society.

[Knight Templar]

So there's nothing wrong with gays, just the people who want them to be treated as equals?

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Liberator


Because Satan/Lucifer/The Devil makes a policy of decieving Man as often as possible and is not above portraying himself as God.

Strange.... I could swear other religions say that same thing about Christianity.......

Originally posted by Liberator
Rictor, what you don't understand is that until recently, Christianity has been turning the other cheek.  It's just that Robertson & Co. counterparts on the otherside have raised the stakes with gay marriage and a myriad of other blasphemies that we can't just sit idly by while our way of life is changed for the worse.  Homosexuality is a sin in every major religion on Earth.  By allowing Gays to marry, we will have allowed, through inaction, an inexcusable blasphemy against God.

Tolerance and peace are noble goals.  But don't shake a man's hand if he has a knife in the other one.  The people who support gay marriage ultimately also support the complete obliteration of Christianity, Judaism and every other form of organized religion on Earth, because they suffer from a delusion that by killing the messengers they can kill the message that their behaviors are wrong, no matter how right it feels, and that they'll then be able to get away with whatever they want.  It won't be like that, someone will always stand for what is right in this world, despite the oppositions best efforts.

Surely you want people to have the choice of whether to believe in a religion or not?  Because that's what this is about - the freedom to choose not to believe in religion, and not to have the beliefs of a religion forced upon you through legislation.

Remember, your opinion of whether a belief is right or wrong is simply your personal opinion - and that includes via religion. Unless you want to dictate all the opinions and views people are allowed to hold, it's not fair to do this.

And, anyway, the church can't make it's mind up whether homosexuality is wrong or not; why the hell should we be adding laws that affect all of society based on a Christian institution which can't make it's own mind up?

[Flipside]

Thing is, from what you are saying, then the fine upstanding citizens would be, in my opinion, those who preach tolerance, acceptance and the diversity of Gods creation.

Satan could not Mar Gods work, only God had the power of creation iirc? So Satan couldn't create Gays, only God could?

At the end of the day a group have people have been selected, in this case Gays, and have been told that because they are 'different', that everything they have done is worthless, the additions to Art, Science, Architecture, fighting in Wars for the US etc, still does not give them equal rights to a straight American Citizen, depsite the fact they worked just as hard to make your country great, and free?

Whatever people personal opinion on Gays, for America to claim to be a Free and unoppressive society will continue to be a joke to the rest of the world unless you start with sorting out your own house and your own human rights abuses. Note they are called 'Human Rights' not 'Christian Rights'.

[Bobboau]

read my sig, it is a blasphomy against God to wear cloths that are made of two diferent materials. I don't see you enacting legislation to ban this.

[Rictor]

bob, you're missing an e at the end of "divers". Surely, you have nothing against people wearing scuba suits, right?
...or do you?

Lib: Yes, but each individual is responsible only for their conduct. You can't be held responsible for how 300 million people who you're never met behave, right? If they are indeed sinning against God, well, that's their problem. I don't see how you can be judged for what others do. Even if everyone in the world except you suddenly decided to become Satanists or whatever, if you yourself are living according to the laws of the Bible, then I don't see the problem. If  you don't want anyone to tell you what to do, and I'm pretty sure you don't, then it works the other way too.

But thats just me and I could be wrong.