[Flipside]

I agree with Raa here, considering the phrase was coupled with 'co-habiting', which is not gender-specific.

The whole marriage thing is a crock of **** anyway, and turning America into a country with rules to match the Taliban isn't going to change that.

[Bobboau]

yeah, maybe you do have a point,. so you know what, I think we need to enact New Legislation!
man/woman couples that are found to have been engaged in courtship for longer than four months shall be forced into a marrage that they cannot disengage from, any married couple not produceing a specified quota of childeren a year will be seveerly fined or incarcerated, any married couple found to be teaching the childeren anything other than a government mandated education suplement of the lords holy love and patriotic retoric shall have there childeren removed from them and be steralised and have all contact between them forbiden, any individual unable or unwilling to submit to the reproducive requierments will be executed emidiately, all married couples will be requiered to mate on a nightly basis untill pregnecy occus at wich point all reproductive activities will cese (under pain of 'serious consequences') and only though a sheet with a hole cut in it and only under a government supervisor, non married couples that are found to have been engaged in unholy sexual intercorse shall have there reproductive organs removed/sewen shut!
yes let the great freedom of the holy people of the United God States God of God America God... God shine over the entier globe!

or you know MAYBE we could just let people live there ****ing lives the way they want to ****ing live them!
oh, oh, but then your ****ing rights to impose your ****ing facistic bull**** will be infrenged upon, how inconsiterate of me, please by all means kill me, I am just another of those evil pagan atheist comunist anti-american spawn of the darkest pits of hell, do it! DO IT!!!

[Bobboau]

Originally posted by Flipside
child-homocides would escalate, the lack of escape means that Wife beating and domestic murder counts would hit the roof.

it's the glory days of the Bible all over again
I'm so HAPPY
the kingdom of God shall surely spontaniusly spew forth at any second from my ass.

[Flipside]

Do I detect a whiff of angst there?

Better incarcerated than indoctrinated in my opinion too

[Roanoke]

Originally posted by Bobboau
hmmm... do you all remember during the build up to th Iraq war, you all said "would you like it if one of us 'liberated' you" and I said, "if it got bad enough, yes" well, it might be a good time to start getting redy to call my bluff

I wonder if Saddams Elite Guard are busy......?

[Liberator]

The way I see it, quickie divorce and abortion let people run from the consequences of their poor decisions.  All this guy wants to do is force them to make the hard decisions.  It's too easy to ruin lives(abortion aside), it a marriage has produced children, any petty disagreements that the parents have with each other immeadately take a back seat to the needs of the children.

I don't see what problem you people have with advocating a moral lifestyle anyway, except that it gets in the way of your fun.

[Taristin]

Because we're all immoral, womanizing, divorced fathers, right?

[Ford Prefect]

Advocate all you want, but don't legislate it. Issues such as marriage and sexuality are exceedingly complex, and I am not comfortable with someone deciding which interpretation of these things is the "moral" one and establishing it as a code of behavior.

[Bobboau]

we need burkas for the women ( 1 Timothy 2:9)
and they need to were vails (Corinthians 11:4)
people who were cloths of diferent materials need to be burned at the steak for heracy(Deuteronomy 22:11)

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Liberator
The way I see it, quickie divorce and abortion let people run from the consequences of their poor decisions.  All this guy wants to do is force them to make the hard decisions.  It's too easy to ruin lives(abortion aside), it a marriage has produced children, any petty disagreements that the parents have with each other immeadately take a back seat to the needs of the children.

I don't see what problem you people have with advocating a moral lifestyle anyway, except that it gets in the way of your fun.

Maybe because we like the freedom to decide how we live our lives and what choices we make, rather than living by what's written in a 2000-odd years old book?

I think maybe you're casting a negative judgement on something which you have never encountered youself.

[Flipside]

Originally posted by Liberator

I don't see what problem you people have with advocating a moral lifestyle anyway, except that it gets in the way of your fun.

Congrats Libby, that one makes it to the siggy

You think that by forcing people to make the 'hard' decisions that they will abide by those decisions? And they are not the 'Hard' decisions, this guy only counts them as such because he want everyone to make his decision and they won't, so for him, it may be 'hard' to get them to do what he wants.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Liberator
I don't see what problem you people have with advocating a moral lifestyle anyway, except that it gets in the way of your fun.

Explain to me how using contraception within a legal marriage is immoral? Cause I really don't get how anyone can claim that it is.

[Shrike]

Welcome to America, land of the free.  So long as your freedoms are confined to conservative christian norms.

[Flipside]

What always amazes me is that the people who seem most against turning the world into a huge lust-powered orgy of decadence and sex are those that seem most severely in need of it

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by karajorma


Explain to me how using contraception within a legal marriage is immoral? Cause I really don't get how anyone can claim that it is.

Because every sperm is sacred

[Taristin]

Meh.


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[Liberator]

Originally posted by karajorma


Explain to me how using contraception within a legal marriage is immoral? Cause I really don't get how anyone can claim that it is.

When did I say that it was?

The problem I have is if it doesn't work, and a child is inconvenient to the parents, then it's off to the abortion clinic. Young People  who are still in school or don't have a steady job or prospects for one, don't have any business participating in an activity that can lead to them having to care for a child.  I don't care how much they love each other, unless one or both of them are capable of providing a living for any potential offspring, contraception or not, they don't have any business having sex.

The Husband and Wife can't get along?  Oh, let's get a divorce instead of actually trying to figure out what wrong and fix it.  To my mind there is no such thing as "irreconcilable differences" where a marriage is concerned.  They saw something in their partner that told them "I want to spend the rest of my life with this person!" and now they let some petty little nothing of an argument grow into a raging beast and since neither one is willing to work it out, they call it quits.  Oh, that's real mature....

I understand that there are situations where the marriage needs to end, but just because you can't get along because you're too damn picky about behaviors THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE KNOWN ABOUT BEFORE YOU MARRIED THEM you decide you can't hack it and run.  In the old days, courtships would last years before a marriage.  Having sex with a person before you know them clouds the mind about that persons actual personality, that's one of the main reasons that casual sex is wrong.  It tends to lead to a disasterous end, relationship wise.

[Bobboau]

becose marrage doesn't change people.

[Flipside]

Because everyone has personality traits that don't become apparent until you've lived together for a while.

And because what you are suggesting is in fact, not that people make the hard decisions, but that, should an accident happens, they are not allowed to do anything to rectify it.

I've lived with my partner for a good many years, we aren't married, and I don't doubt that temptation has come along from time to time for both of us. But we chose not to follow that, not because of some altruism from a book, but because we love and respect each other. If we didn't, then the relationship would not work no matter what laws, pieces of paper of legislations were dropped on us. We don't plan to have children, quite frankly if I had kids, they would not get the upbringing I would like to give them because I can't afford it. I personally resent people like this Senator suggesting that somehow forcing me and Sharon to get married and have children will benefit us in any way whatsoever, though of course, in 18 years time, it does mean an unflux of free soldiers and taxpayers.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Liberator


When did I say that it was?

The problem I have is if it doesn't work, and a child is inconvenient to the parents, then it's off to the abortion clinic. Young People  who are still in school or don't have a steady job or prospects for one, don't have any business participating in an activity that can lead to them having to care for a child.  I don't care how much they love each other, unless one or both of them are capable of providing a living for any potential offspring, contraception or not, they don't have any business having sex.

The Husband and Wife can't get along?  Oh, let's get a divorce instead of actually trying to figure out what wrong and fix it.  To my mind there is no such thing as "irreconcilable differences" where a marriage is concerned.  They saw something in their partner that told them "I want to spend the rest of my life with this person!" and now they let some petty little nothing of an argument grow into a raging beast and since neither one is willing to work it out, they call it quits.  Oh, that's real mature....

I understand that there are situations where the marriage needs to end, but just because you can't get along because you're too damn picky about behaviors THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE KNOWN ABOUT BEFORE YOU MARRIED THEM you decide you can't hack it and run.  In the old days, courtships would last years before a marriage.  Having sex with a person before you know them clouds the mind about that persons actual personality, that's one of the main reasons that casual sex is wrong.  It tends to lead to a disasterous end, relationship wise.

Your opinion.  

You're welcome to have it, but don't ask to force it upon others via legislation.

I'm curious, though - are you / have you ever been engaged or married?