[Flipside]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20041121/ap_on_re_us/protecting_marriage

"If those initiatives are part of a broader effort to reaffirm lifetime fidelity in marriage, they're worthwhile," he said. "If they're isolated — if we don't address cohabitation and casual divorce and deliberate childlessness — then I think they're futile and will be brushed aside."

Betcha he's against Abortion too

[an0n]

"Deliberate childlessness"?

I may hate this person more than I hate PETA and Catholics.

[mrfun]

I'm starting to think California should secede and form it's own country (pipe dream, sigh)- I'm afraid of being associated with people like this.

And can anyone tell me what the hell the institution of marriage is?  A prison is an institution.  A mental hospital is an institution.  Even a school can be called an institution.  The only reason peope started using the term "the institution of marriage" is it sounds more respectable in print than "die you filthy homosexual bastards!" so they use the first one instead.

[Flipside]

Thing is, the 'fidelity' within marriage is a concern in the UK as well, but even here, this guy would be regarded for a Section 4 of the Mental Health act, like the Grand Prix Priest, not a position in the leadership!

[Ford Prefect]

It's a hard concept for a lot of people that not every moral issue can be addressed with legislation.

[mrfun]

This guy:  "Hey, they elected Bush again, they must be willing to swallow anything!"

You never would have heard this a month ago....

[Flipside]

Sounds like Blunkett in our own government, his usual tactic to deal with crime is simply to create more rules.

The poor fool can't figure out why the crime rate is still growing and yet keeps increasing the size of the umbrella that defines 'criminal'

[Taristin]

More rules = more potential for crime.

Why does the government even need to define marriage? In the end, how does wether or not the union is between a man and a woman or a man and a man (Or woman and woman) really affect how the country should be run?  More and more, this country depresses me.

[Ace]

Outlawing 'deliberate childlessness'?

Now maybe people can see what folks like Kazan mean by reproductive rights being infringed.

Oh wait... let me guess freedom to have children does not include freedom to not have children.

[Bobboau]

hmmm... do you all remember during the build up to th Iraq war, you all said "would you like it if one of us 'liberated' you" and I said, "if it got bad enough, yes" well, it might be a good time to start getting redy to call my bluff

[vyper]

I gotta laugh at that one. Basically they want rid of contraception.

If people need to support children, they ain't got much time for anything else...

[.::Tin Can::.]

This article is sad.

[Flipside]

It's one of those ones where you just get angrier with each passing paragraph.....

 



One group, the Alliance for Marriage, has focused almost entirely in the past two years on advocating a federal amendment that would ban gay marriage. The alliance's president, Matt Daniels, said the proposed ban is an essential starting point for other initiatives to strengthen heterosexual marriage — such as promoting family-friendly workplace policies.

"No one in the alliance believes saving (saving? And at what point was Heterosexual marriage in danger? - Flip) the legal status of marriage as between man and woman will alone be sufficient to stem the tide of family disintegration," Daniels said. "But if we lose that legal status, we lose the policy tool we need to pursue our broader agenda."

So he's basically saying that Gay marriage is simply the the first sheep on the altar as far as he's concerned

[Mongoose]

Originally posted by an0n
"Deliberate childlessness"?

I may hate this person more than I hate Catholics.

What's the matter, an0n?  Scared of a religion that isn't afraid to support actual morality and decency?  Poor you.  I guess you think that abortion and divorce are good for society.  I also guess that you hate me personally, and I would have to say that it wouldn't take too much for me to reciprocate the favor.

If you want to know, I agree with that entire article.  The status of heterosexual marriage in this country needs to be re-evalulated; we need to reverse the prevalence of quickie divorces in this country.  No matter what you believe, look at history:  the status of marriage in past societies has helped to determine the longevity and success of those societies.

[Mongoose]

double post

[Bobboau]

... why did you quote yourself?...

[ooh... ignor]

[.::Tin Can::.]

Originally posted by Mongoose

What's the matter, an0n?  Scared of a religion that isn't afraid to support actual morality and decency?  Poor you.  If you want to know, I agree with that entire article.  The status of heterosexual marriage in this country needs to be re-evalulated; we need to reverse the prevalence of quickie divorces in this country.  No matter what you believe, look at history:  the status of marriage in past societies has helped to determine the longevity and success of those societies.

He's got a point...

[Flipside]

And an increase in dynamics in your society that would be created by forcing people to have children in areas that are low employment etc would soon mean that everyone would have to get by with far less

Welfare bills would soar, child-homocides would escalate, the lack of escape means that Wife beating and domestic murder counts would hit the roof.

Finally, the increase in abandoned children would create ghettos similar to those in Cairo.

Yep, brilliant idea

[Taristin]

Originally posted by Mongoose

What's the matter, an0n?  Scared of a religion that isn't afraid to support actual morality and decency?  Poor you.  I guess you think that abortion and divorce are good for society.  I also guess that you hate me personally, and I would have to say that it wouldn't take too much for me to reciprocate the favor.

If you want to know, I agree with that entire article.  The status of heterosexual marriage in this country needs to be re-evalulated; we need to reverse the prevalence of quickie divorces in this country.  No matter what you believe, look at history:  the status of marriage in past societies has helped to determine the longevity and success of those societies.

Care to explain to me how Homosexuality and 'safe sex' are immoral and indecent, without mentioning God? Please? I'd really like to hear this.

Also, I don't know about you, but 'deliberate childlessness' seems more like an attack against 'safe' and homosexual sex, than against abortion. Although I do see how that can be interpretted as well.

[Shrike]

Originally posted by Mongoose
If you want to know, I agree with that entire article.  The status of heterosexual marriage in this country needs to be re-evalulated; we need to reverse the prevalence of quickie divorces in this country.  No matter what you believe, look at history:  the status of marriage in past societies has helped to determine the longevity and success of those societies.

Really?  The Greeks seem to have gotten along great with all-but-institutionalized bisexualism.  Personally I think it's a load of bunk, saying that marriage is the only defining factor that contributes to a society's stability and success.  What's wrong with allowing two consenting adults with a deep commitment to each other form a proper union?

Well, thankfully here, they can.  And we haven't started to implode, either.