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Offline Unknown Target

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While we discuss the thing i would rather work on preventing it :)



The sad fact is that we're getting there pretty fast, and no one who has any power is trying to prevent it :(

 

Offline Zarax

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I don't think so.
Someone is trying, but while their individual power is quite great it's still not enough to change alone the whole behaviour.
It's just sad that things such as the first decent malaria vaccine had to wait Bill Gates charity funds to be developed...
Market economy might have won the cold war but we pretty much lost our ethical values in the process...
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Offline Fergus

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I can not take this anymore.
I am going to quote a book here, its a long one and I need to type it.  I'm not happy about it-but someone must end this, before it expands.
'I don't believe in argument'
'You don't?  S**t, and I thought I was the cynical one.'
'It's not cynisim, I just think people over-value argument because they like to hear themselves talk.  It's comferting I suppose.  Most people are not prepared to have thier minds changed, and I think that in thier hearts they know that other people are just the same, and one of the reasons people become angry when they argue uts that they realise just that, as they trot out thier excuses.'
[other dude interupts]
'Yes, excuses, I strongle suspect the things people believe in are usually what they insticntlivly feel is right' the excuses, the justification, the things you're supposed to argue about, come late.  They're the least important part of the belief.  That's why you can destroy them, win an argument, prove the other person wrong, and still believe what they did in the first place.'
'So what does one do instead proffesor?'
'Agree to disagree.  Or fight.'
'FIGHT?'
'what else is left?'
Negotiat?'
'Negotiation is the way to come to a conclusion; it's the type of conclusion I'm talking about.'


Severly annotated, but I think you get my message, oh and guess the author.
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Offline Ford Prefect

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"I cannot take this anymore," stated Fergus. He proceeded to cite a quotation pertinent to his assertion.
"Then why do you read it?" asked Ford Prefect, with great puzzlement.
"Mais est-ce qu'il ne vient jamais à l'idée de ces gens-là que je peux être 'artificiel' par nature?"  --Maurice Ravel

 

Offline Zarax

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So?
Found a party or get to control an existing one.
Make your view the leading one (not by imposing it but by showing with facts that you are right).
Acquire power and then use it.
Impossible?
Nothing is.
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Offline Ford Prefect

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Heh heh. Nothing, you say? I've got plenty of literary quotes of my own about that one. (The theme of the human spirit being crushed by overwhelming adversity is a favorite of mine.)
"Mais est-ce qu'il ne vient jamais à l'idée de ces gens-là que je peux être 'artificiel' par nature?"  --Maurice Ravel

 

Offline Flipside

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Thing is, planets are far too unstable, unpredicatble and limited in resources for any species that wants to exist more than a few million years. Dinosaurs got away with it because they hit a long period between Ice Ages/Comet impacts etc. Scientists are becoming increasingly aware that the length of time that Dinosaurs existed was the exception rather than the rule.

To be honest, our best chance for survival is not to stay here. Physics says the Earth probably only has about a billion years left in the Solar system before Mercury and Venus swap orbits and screw up the entire inner-planet system, possibly throwing Venus or Earth out of the Solar System in the process.

So, to be honest, we are headed there are some point or another whether we like it or not, so the sooner we start preparing for it, the better.

 

Offline Zarax

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I don't quote.
I act.
If you truly want it and invest enough time and energy on it you can talk with even the most powerful people in the world within ten years.
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Offline Zarax

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Flipside, if you care about what might happen in a few million years you're welcome...
Differently from dinosaurs we can predict events such as asteroids and develop the means to avoid them...
But that's on a quite long term...
Our current civilization won't last more than a couple of centuries unless we get massive technological breakthroughs on resource management or change quite deeply our lifestyle.
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Offline Ford Prefect

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I don't quote.
I act.
If you truly want it and invest enough time and energy on it you can talk with even the most powerful people in the world within ten years.

And I applaud you for having the conviction to do that. But I'm no activist, just an artist with my head in the clouds and too existential to have much regard for even my own opinions.
"Mais est-ce qu'il ne vient jamais à l'idée de ces gens-là que je peux être 'artificiel' par nature?"  --Maurice Ravel

 

Offline Flipside

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How do we know that dinosaurs couldn't?

We can only just barely find hints of human civilisation that are 10,000 years old, what's going to be left after 65 million years. If the human race died out today, in 65 million years, even satellites would have fallen out of orbit, and weather would have erased practically every trace that we ever existed.

We assume all dinosaurs were stupid, but there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that the larger brained dinosaurs weren't capable of intelligence, it's only our own arrogance in believing we are 'special' that stops us from even accepting the possiblity.

And yes, I do care what happens in a billion years time, because that is merely the final chapter, theres a hell of a lot of unpleasant things going to happen before that. 800 Million years ago, 97% of ALL life on Earth was wiped out, by the ecology changing. It wasn't the first, nor will it be the last time such a thing will happen.

 

Offline Nuke

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tell my, how many dinosours are still suffering?
I can no longer sit back and allow communist infiltration, communist indoctrination, communist subversion, and the international communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.

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Offline Flipside

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Well, crocs get quite a beating..
Birds get shot...
Kimono lizards etc get shot on sight in some countries...

Yes, they are all related to Dino's ;)

 

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Kimono lizards etc get shot on sight in some countries...

They also eat children, from what I've read.
"Mais est-ce qu'il ne vient jamais à l'idée de ces gens-là que je peux être 'artificiel' par nature?"  --Maurice Ravel

 

Offline Flipside

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Well, they have been known to, they are viscious bastards, but the real problem is their bite. Kimono saliva contains over 200 kinds of harmful bacteria, from blood diseases to skin diseases, it's their weapon. So someone who gets bitten by one of those things is in big trouble.

 

Offline Zarax

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How do we know that dinosaurs couldn't?

We can only just barely find hints of human civilisation that are 10,000 years old, what's going to be left after 65 million years. If the human race died out today, in 65 million years, even satellites would have fallen out of orbit, and weather would have erased practically every trace that we ever existed.

We assume all dinosaurs were stupid, but there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that the larger brained dinosaurs weren't capable of intelligence, it's only our own arrogance in believing we are 'special' that stops us from even accepting the possiblity.

And yes, I do care what happens in a billion years time, because that is merely the final chapter, theres a hell of a lot of unpleasant things going to happen before that. 800 Million years ago, 97% of ALL life on Earth was wiped out, by the ecology changing. It wasn't the first, nor will it be the last time such a thing will happen.


Sorry Flip, but my vision is a bit shorter than yours and i tend to care only about what we call Homo Sapiens, not what will come in some hundred millennias.
We are humans, so our solutions will spawn in centuries.
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Offline Flipside

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Indeed, but we're talking about learning from the past here, we know that the stable periods of Earths ecology are pretty short. The next Ice Age is, allegedly, not too far away, and that has been strengthened by this years visit to the North Pole by ecologists. How was it strengthened? They couldn't find it it had melted.

 

Offline Zarax

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Are you sure?
Do you know how much it takes to melt the WHOLE northern ice cap?
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Offline Flipside

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Yes, a raise of about 6 degrees celsius in standard world temperature. It has risen about 5 since we started recording. It's quite scary really. Though it could be that our lack on compassion for the environment with pumping greenhouse gasses into the Atmosphere may actually help to delay or even halt the development of an Ice Age in full...

How ironic and undeserved if that is the case ;)

 

Offline Zarax

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Can you cite some source about it?
I never heard about this one...
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