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Offline redmenace

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It is a leaked memo. I don't think he made it up, but it could be. That doesn't mean that he is not absurdly biased, because he[Matt Drudge] is. If this memo is a fake I am sure they will diffute it.
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Offline redmenace

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drudgereport, I cant really take a news site that has its first link going to the 3am girls in the mirror seriously.

Gank there in alphabetical order according to last name and typically numerics go before letters. :p

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This is the logical consequence of having an idiot with an agenda for a Commander In Chief

What do you mean by that?
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Doesn't matter, the water is already muddy. That's how it works you see ;)

Now even if this isn't a fake, even if he DID hand-pick the soldiers and arrange for those questions to be asked, no matter what he did, that situation could not have happened, those questions would not have been asked unless they were in knocking around the camp and generally being asked by those soldiers in the first place.

I don't think you could get a GI to do something like that to Rumsfields face unless they really were having fears for their life, it goes against years of training to respect the chain of command and to endure difficult situations.

The fact is that if this reporter. the officers and men etc arranged to have this happen, if this is the case, just shows how urgent and life threatening they feel the situation to be.
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Gank there in alphabetical order according to last name and typically numerics go before letters. :p


The fact that it has any link to not only the Mirror but also the Sun makes it impossible to take it seriously as a reliable news source.

 

Offline redmenace

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I am not refuting the fact that armored HVs were not planned for when they should have been. However, I am just pointing out the fact that these soldiers, even though their actions might have been good intentioned, didn't wholey act on their own, but were used by some scum bag reporter with an obvious agenda. But I will say this, hard questions should be asked of our leaders. I am happy they got an answer for their questions.
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Offline Gank

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Eh, no they didnt. They got the brush off, like everybodys gets from rumsfeld. And if the reporter put them up to it, why did they all cheer when the question was asked? and why is the reporter a scum-bag for asking why US troops werent being protected properly?

And isnt it a bit daft complaining about reporters with agendas with only a single article from a reporter with an agenda to back it up?

And how reliable is a reporter who doesnt even know what year it is?
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and why is the reporter a scum-bag for asking why US troops werent being protected properly?
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Offline redmenace

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I have no problem with reporters asking questions. I have no problem with soldiers asking, why they were not protected? I have a problem with him "nudging" soldiers to do something to fulfill an agenda.

In short he is a scum bag for looking out for number #1. Not for asking important questions. He is a scum bag for manipulating people.
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Offline Kazan

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reporter: "will you ask him this question please [yada yada]"
soldier: "sure"

and it doesn't require any agenda other than honesty to want to ask that sort of question

I think your calling them a "Scumbag with an agenda" is a subconscious attempt to supress both the freedom of the press and the freedom of speech because you've clearly demonstrated in the past that you've bought onto the "Be a good patriot, don't ask questions!" bull****

real nudge, especially with that type of question the soliders aren't going to ask it unless they've been asking themselves that for a while.
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Offline Gank

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Umm, what exactly did he gain by the question being asked? Every news network in the US was there. How the hell is he looking after no.1? If  anything hes looking after the soldiers, but I guess thats too much for you to get your head around.

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But it felt good to hand it off to the national press. I believe lives are at stake with so many soldiers going across the border riding with scrap metal as protection. It may be to late for the unit I am with, but hopefully not for those who come after.


Quote from the email. This guy is your idea of a scumbag? Tosser.
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Offline redmenace

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You don't think that this makes himself look good. Bah.
And Kazan it always comes down that ****....
This is just what I want isn't it

and this

And this


Kazan SHUT UP.
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Oh piss off redmenace, posting pictures of Nazis doesn't help your ****ing case. The fact is that whatever the agenda of the reporter, the soldier in question had absolute free will to accept or refuse to ask the question and he did so to the cheers of his colleagues.

People manipulate each other all the time but you can't make someone do something totally against their will which is the false picture critics are trying to make. Bah.

 

Offline Kazan

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not all fascism looks like nazism genius

nazism is fascism, but fascism is not nazism
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Offline redmenace

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I am offended by that prick.

He ALL THE ****ING TIME posts insults and implications. It is hardly argumentative and definatly not ethical. Therefore I am insulted.

And his opinion isn't even worth the paper I wipe my ass with.
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Offline Kazan

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it's not ethical for you and a lot of other people to be creating and atmosphere of supression of the first ammendment BUT YOU DO IT


I'm just pointing out the similiarity, if you don't like that it's a fact stop acting that way
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Offline Gank

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You don't think that this makes himself look good. Bah.


Well see hes not going around shouting he did it, so how the hell is it?  Hes not making himself look good, drudge is.

 

Offline redmenace

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Offline redmenace

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oh my gosh oh my gosh oh my gosh we have facist on the loose. :p
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Offline aldo_14

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Great way to deflect attention from the actual issue.......... who gives a **** whose idea the question was?

Surely you should look at the content; are troops having to salvage scrap to try and defend themselves (obviously if the rest of the troops applauded the question)?  How could that be acceptable to the worlds most technologically advanced military?