[Janos]

Originally posted by Clave
Everything is just a theory until enough weight of proof is put behind it...

Evolution exists, full stop.

No, everything is just a hypothesis until enough weight of proof is put behind it. If the hypothesis can explain why and how some things happen, and can accurately predict forcoming events, it will become a theory (under the rules of scientific method, of course).

[an0n]

I don't get why the creationists can't just accept they were/are wrong.....Oh, wait. I get it.

If they were prone to admitting their mistakes, they'd be scientists. But they're not, so they don't.

[WeatherOp]

Cause everywere I look I see God. In the Stars, Trees, Oceans, Mountains. I see a Creator. I don't see everything happening by chance. I don't see Humans comming from Primates. You can flame us all you want, but like Flip said, you can't change our minds. Is it so important to you to bash other peoples religons? Does it give more pride in evolution or something?

[an0n]

If you believe in religion, you're wrong. If you disbelieve evolution, you're wrong.

To sit here and not try to badger you into giving up your dellusions of a higher power would be akin to:

Teacher: 3 + 3 = 6
Kid: No, it isn't.
Teacher: Yes, it is.
Kid: No, it's 27 because I believe it's 27.
Teacher: Okay, good for you!

[Kamikaze]

Originally posted by WeatherOp
Cause everywere I look I see God. In the Stars, Trees, Oceans, Mountains. I see a Creator. I don't see everything happening by chance. I don't see Humans comming from Primates. You can flame us all you want, but like Flip said, you can't change our minds. Is it so important to you to bash other peoples religons? Does it give more pride in evolution or something?

Can't take a little criticism of your fragile worldview eh? It's not like you try to discredit evolution and science (while not understanding the definition of a theory, nevermind anything more complicated) constantly right?

If you're too sensitive for this stuff, stop reading and don't post.

[WeatherOp]

Who said I was sensitive to what yaw are posting. But, I would like to know why you keep on about. Does it make you feel good? And well Evolution is a religon, wheather you belive it or not.

[an0n]

Uh, no. A religion requires belief. That's the difference between science and religion.

Science is demonstratable fact. Religion is "they tell me there's a God, so I think there's a God".

[WeatherOp]

Ok, prove to me that evolution is happening today, no fossils. I want to see a form that showed some evolution in the past 100 years?

[Kamikaze]

Does it make you feel good?

No, that's what sex and morphine is for.

And well Evolution is a religon, wheather you belive it or not.

I've been supplying reasons for everything I've said that were grounded in scientific definition and theory. Care to actually explain/support your argument for once (no, some dogmatic babble about "It's too amazing to be chance" does not constitute an explanation)?

[WeatherOp]

I don't have to prove nothing. Ether you belive or you don't. And you said theory. That is about the same thing as a opinion. Whitch is what you think. The reason I don't flame you is because I don't have a problem with what you are saying, I don't care. Why are you guys trying to flame me?

Here is the definion for Theory: An assumption based on limited information or knowledge.

So its is basicly a belief.

[Kamikaze]

Originally posted by WeatherOp
Ok, prove to me that evolution is happening today, no fossils. I want to see a form that showed some evolution in the past 100 years?

Sickle cell anemia in Africa.

[Kamikaze]

Originally posted by WeatherOp
I don't have to prove nothing. Ether you belive or you don't. And you said theory. That is about the same thing as a opinion.  

No it's not (how many times do I have to post this?). In science theories are not defined as an "opinion".

Explanation of a theory in science: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory


EDIT: I hate it when people I quote edit. The definition you edited into your post is wrong. The word means something different in science.

[programmer]Think of it like function overloading in programming languages.[/programmer]

[WeatherOp]

Sicle cell anemia is best evolution proof you can come up with? What about AIDS is it Evolution too?

*Edit: you are calling the dictionary wrong, on the verge of laughing.

[Kamikaze]

Originally posted by WeatherOp
Sicle cell anemia is best evolution proof you can come up with? What about AIDS is it Evolution too?

Do you know the difference between a mutation and a virus?

*Edit: you are calling the dictionary wrong, on the verge of laughing.

You're the one that can't cope with multiple definitions of a word.

[WeatherOp]

Ok, sickle cell is a mutation, but without doctors they would'nt survive. Now what about people with no hands or feet is that evolution? Are we gonna evolove where we have no hands or feet?

[Bobboau]

sickle cell: a condition in wich a recesive gene causes a malformation of the cell walls, an interesting thing about that is when you only have one of the two genes that causes it you are immune to malaria, a lethal paracite that will kill you otherwise, developing a gene that gives you a 50% chance of survival from this while haveing the downside of a 25% chance of a lethal combineation I'd say is better than a nearly 100% chance of dieing from a local pathagen, it is an example of evolution throughing you something unexpected.

"Now what about people with no hands or feet is that evolution?"
no, it _might_ be mutation (more likely some sort of calamity hapens to the mother while pregnent), and therefore posably an example of a disadventagus mutation, as people with these conitions are far less likely to reproduce as there 'normal' counterparts.
so
"we gonna evolove where we have no hands or feet?"
no

and
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Theory

A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or _is_ _widely_ _accepted_ and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena.

[WeatherOp]

Uhh, Bob do you know what a prediction is. It is when you take what you see and say this is, has, or will happen. Otherwise it is about the same as your opinion. Weather forcasters make lots of predictions.

[Bobboau]

yeah.... and?

forcasters are right more oftine than wrong (within the margin of error they give you)

was there a point to this?

anyway
evolution is a slow proces, your not going to see it in 100 years in a speciese that takes ~20 years to reach sexual maturity especaly while that speciese is in the middle of a population explosion were there is virtualy no hardship placed on it.

of course we have repetadly mentioned the effects of antibiodics on bacteria, you will of course not accept this becase the earth is flat and the center of the universe

Genesis 1:16   And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
1 Chronicles 16:30: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.”
 

Psalm 93:1: “Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm ...”
 

Psalm 96:10: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ...”
 

Psalm 104:5: “Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken.”
 

Isaiah 45:18: “...who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast...”
 

Isaiah 11:12: "And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth."

[Stealth]

*jumps into thread*

oh wait, i should've guessed... a topic that is almost 200 replies long would evolve into either a politics or a religion thread, or possibly both.  *shakes head*

[WeatherOp]

Uhh, no, weather forcasters or wrong something like 80-9% if over 2 or 3 days.

And it says in the Bible of the Earth being round, and something about how many planets there are in the SOL system. And nowhere I know does it say the Earth is the center of the Universe, And I am not a Bilble graduate, but I promise you it ain't saying the Earth is unmovable, because it says in the Bible of Earthquakes and the Bible don't contradict itself.

But, if nothin is evoloving then you have NO proof, cause if I don't see it I don't belive it, that is the stance you guys are taking. Lets again leave it at this, you can belive what you want, But don't flame people who don't see things like you do. OK:yes: