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Offline FireCrack

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You wear them down to the point where they don't want to remain in control.


yes, somthing very hard to do, nigh impossible, if you dont have the same or more (military) power as them.
actualy, mabye not.
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Offline Grimloq

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actually, id see myself taking a gun to my temple if that happened. what the hell, if nothing else, itd give me a decent excuse :)
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Offline BlackDove

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Urm.......

Realistically as I am now, I would try go for taking out a live team and getting their equipment - then playing Rambo until I get killed. Starting off with knives (hell even a sword works), a bottle of alcohol coupled with fire (good way to take out the first one is to break the contents on him, have him on fire while you try to do in the other one, preferably undetected).

Naturally, the first two (or one) kill would be IN THE NIGHT - and all consequential targets would be attacked in the night as well as I go along with it. Fighting in the daylight is ****ing stupid, unless you're well equipped, with the terrain working in YOUR favor - always having a means of escape.

Naturally always alone - others can decide for themselves what the hell they want to do. If someone joins me, I'd use them as bait or cover.

Rambo tactics kick ass, and if I get killed in the process - oh well, I didn't stand much chance anyway.

I'd try to pick on a two man team, or a stray soldier first of course, if possible. Taking out a Sniper from behind wouldn't be too bad either, just for a good measure of an extra kill(s) from a distance.

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Stop assuming yer ****ing Rambo.

You wouldn't have ammunition till you'd killed some soldiers and stolen theirs. Which would mean knifing a 2-man team before they could radio in. Even then you'd only have maybe 2 grenades, a crappy semi-auto rifle, some kevlar plates and a few clips of ammo.

Add to that the fact that you've got no military or weapons training and then give a realistic answer.


However, if we're going by me not having any military training or weapons training, best thing is to put the hands up in the air and await imprisonment. "I'm not hostile". Then when I learn military training and weapons training, rip them a new one from within.

Death chance on BOTH tactics (sooner or later), is about 97%, 92% if I have the element of surprise, but 49% if I'm physically better, stronger and more intelligent than my (current) oponent. Those are 1v1 estimates, naturally, the percent increases x2 if there are more of them, and it increases exponentially.


So to sum it up - what I would do if I was being invaded, was most likely be dead on the street with a bullet in my head. Rambo doesn't work usually, unless the enemy is really really ****ing tribal-like stupid.


note: percentage numbers have been pulled out of ass - that's what I figure my chances would be - you may feel different about your skills and capabilities.

 

Offline Grimloq

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i wouldnt last 10 minutes...
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Offline Taristin

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Flee to Australia!
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Offline Rictor

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go for large scale **** that nobody expects, like poisoning the water supply or infecting them with some dieses via the local brothels which the occupying soldiers are sure to frequent. You can take pot shots all day long, but a truck bomb that takes out 20 enemies at once it more effective.

with that said, in any country there are those with military experience who could then pass it on, forming the cornerstones of an armed resistance. Its just a matter of getting enough money and weapons, and people willing to die for the cause. Infiltrating the ranks of the enemy always works, since chance are that they're going to establish some sort of local police force type thing. Get them to train you, arm you and then switch sides when they're at their weakest...

 

Offline Corsair

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If I had even the slightest bit of military training, I'd stand and fight. Otherwise, head for the hills.
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Offline oohal

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Flee to Australia!

don't you'd get chucked into a detention center for a few months/years and then deported to where ever you came from

and no i'm not kidding that is what happens
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Offline Flaser

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You just don't get it do you?

Those man, no matter how barbaric or sawage are just like you.

There is such thing as 'good fight' or 'good cause' - except silently putting a clever into all those bid mouther warmongers back when they count they money made on their latest business.

Read some books from Svan Hassel - he will turn around your views about war or "patriotism" within seconds and leave you with the shocking realization that once you though that being a soldier could be fun.....nothing is further from the truth.

War demoralizes, destroys you from the inside if you mange to survive against the outside odds - bets are you'll end up either as a raving lunatic in a hospital our out there as one of the psycho they show as mass murdering villians.
Killing humans is just not meant to be normal - even the most die-hard criminals don't consider it just or normal, they kill but almost always as a mean of something or out of primal fear and paranoia but never just for killing itself.

It's not armed resistance that destroyes an army of this proportions - and I hope you don't imagine that a horde of barbarians with spears could conquer any modern nation - is what undermines its foundation: the thoughless and devout execution of all and any order of the mad regime.

Poets, martyrs (who are seen as such by both sides) are more dangerous to a totalitarian system than any partizan - the reason is instead a mere scratch into its millitary flesh these people can strike the system down to the bone. That's the reason why intelligence was always so hunted by these systesms - unconsciously they knew  where the danger lurked...

I don't say being a rebel or a partisan is mad or useless at all - it's merly the target or direction you all seem to take in your resistance is what I find pointless.

Face it: there is just no way that you could kill every single soldier - you'll also make an even bigger bastard out of yourself in the process than them.

Sabotage the infrastructure, sabotage the industry, distrupt the flow of resources in the country - meanwhile spread propaganda among both the people and the invaders.
Look for officiers with a opinion of their, people with conscience - there are always such people no matter the system.

It's not the occupation of your country or the presence of foriegn people that's sucking the life out of your homeland - it's the leaders of the invaders, the investors, the upper echelon that gets it all...,

....it's the control of people who don't give jack**** about your or your countryman's wellbeing. Destroying the flow of that control, undermining that system ideology, thrustworthyness is the prime aims.

By doing so you can enforce massed resistance in both your own country - the problem is never the fact that there are just too few of citizens capable, most will lay low - and demoralize the invaders, making THEM question the sytem they so obediently served so far.
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Offline redmenace

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If you look at afghanistan, they were able to wear the russians down.
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Offline Kosh

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Since I have virtually no sense of nationalism, I will probably just shrug my shoulders and let the best army win. Anon never said they were also slaughtering civilians in his first post, so I should be relatively safe.



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Another reason why I would not fight is because I am not a soldier.
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Offline vyper

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I'd show them my copious supply of Coca Cola, and pray they accepted it as a sign of my loyalty. I'd also point out the fact I own two cars which, by our standards, are rather non-ecofriendly.

That'd sort em.
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Me, i would go underground and grow a beard. I would get myself a Dragunov, pick a nice spot, and pop some heads.

And judging how low Freedom of Speech has sunk, i wouldn´t be surprised if i got a visit from the MIBs for saying this...
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Originally posted by Flaser
Read some books from Svan Hassel - he will turn around your views about war or "patriotism" within seconds and leave you with the shocking realization that once you though that being a soldier could be fun.....nothing is further from the truth.


You mean Sven Hassel, right? Great stuff. I´ve read 3 of his books, "Chariots of Hell" being the best.
Sven Hassel was a german soldier, who fought on both fronts. The books are the diaries of his days at the front.
I bet anyone who reads them will change the way they see the average german soldier. From a  merciless monster, to just an average guy just doing what he could to survive.
I highly recomend reading it.
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Offline aldo_14

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Personally, I'd run like hell or hide; whatever it takes to stay alive.  

Because I'm a coward :).

 

Offline Make

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I would fight to the bloody end!

 

Offline Kosh

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I would fight to the bloody end!




And die, being remembered as "just another rebel" :rolleyes:
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Offline Black Wolf

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Assuming I hadn't already signed up (Which I probably would if my country was invaded) I'd knock off a few .22s and go bush. Do whatever I could to hurt them in any small way. I'd probably end up getting caught and killed, but I know the area around my home town pretty well and I reckon I'd be able to survive at least a while, and that'd be all that mattered to me.

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don't you'd get chucked into a detention center for a few months/years and then deported to where ever you came from

and no i'm not kidding that is what happens


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I'd have been recruited into the reserves long before the enemy got to cities and towns, so I'd be on the front lines anyway.
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Offline Janos

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I would fight!
and die. Hey what's that so
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