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And you believe that I might be able to do a better job of porting it to the wiki than TopAce? I'm sure he'd be happy to hear the reasons for this. :p
No, I was only covering for the fact that I didn't notice it in the first place. :nervous: I was looking for a page "last edited by karajorma" and didn't see one.

I'll leave now...

 

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Yeah. I guessed that was the reason. I was just yanking your chain a little :)

It occurs to me that I must have caught most of the big bugs cause I've seen very little in the way of "But you missed...." :) I was expecting a ton of those :)
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ugh. i make most of those mistakes already.
To consider the Earth as the only populated world in infinite space is as absurd as to assert that in an entire field of millet, only one grain will grow. - Metrodorus of Chios
I wept. Mysterious forces beyond my ken had reached into my beautiful mission and energized its pilots with inhuman bomb-firing abilities. I could only imagine the GTVA warriors giving a mighty KIAAIIIIIII shout as they worked their triggers, their biceps bulging with sinew after years of Ivan Drago-esque steroid therapy and weight training. - General Battuta

 

Offline Cobra

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btw, kara, you should make a FRED faq (you haven't, have you?) about the terms of FRED and how to use variables, etc.
To consider the Earth as the only populated world in infinite space is as absurd as to assert that in an entire field of millet, only one grain will grow. - Metrodorus of Chios
I wept. Mysterious forces beyond my ken had reached into my beautiful mission and energized its pilots with inhuman bomb-firing abilities. I could only imagine the GTVA warriors giving a mighty KIAAIIIIIII shout as they worked their triggers, their biceps bulging with sinew after years of Ivan Drago-esque steroid therapy and weight training. - General Battuta

 

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The FRED2 walkthrough actually does use variables but doesn't give any examples of how to use them apart from what they did with it so most people forget about them fairly quickly.

I've always planned on doing an advanced FRED tutorial in the same manner as Cetanu's. Only problem is that I'd have to get off of my arse and actually finish Seeds Of Rebellion before I'd have the material to use for such an example. :)
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*says very bad words*

i have looked at the FRED2 tut. it just tells you how to make a mission without variables.
To consider the Earth as the only populated world in infinite space is as absurd as to assert that in an entire field of millet, only one grain will grow. - Metrodorus of Chios
I wept. Mysterious forces beyond my ken had reached into my beautiful mission and energized its pilots with inhuman bomb-firing abilities. I could only imagine the GTVA warriors giving a mighty KIAAIIIIIII shout as they worked their triggers, their biceps bulging with sinew after years of Ivan Drago-esque steroid therapy and weight training. - General Battuta

 

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*says very bad words*

i have looked at the FRED2 tut. it just tells you how to make a mission without variables.


1. Don't just look at the Walkthrough. You should actually do it.

2. Look again at the docking stuff with Sleipner 1-4
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i made the mission a couple of years ago. late night headaches, lemme tell ya.
To consider the Earth as the only populated world in infinite space is as absurd as to assert that in an entire field of millet, only one grain will grow. - Metrodorus of Chios
I wept. Mysterious forces beyond my ken had reached into my beautiful mission and energized its pilots with inhuman bomb-firing abilities. I could only imagine the GTVA warriors giving a mighty KIAAIIIIIII shout as they worked their triggers, their biceps bulging with sinew after years of Ivan Drago-esque steroid therapy and weight training. - General Battuta

 

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try it again then. Currently, its the most usefull FRED2 resource available, and it covers 98% of what you'll ever need, including variables...
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good idea. :yes:
To consider the Earth as the only populated world in infinite space is as absurd as to assert that in an entire field of millet, only one grain will grow. - Metrodorus of Chios
I wept. Mysterious forces beyond my ken had reached into my beautiful mission and energized its pilots with inhuman bomb-firing abilities. I could only imagine the GTVA warriors giving a mighty KIAAIIIIIII shout as they worked their triggers, their biceps bulging with sinew after years of Ivan Drago-esque steroid therapy and weight training. - General Battuta

 

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That Unification Prequel campaign is mighty guilty of no. 12. I'm guilty of 2, 3, and 8. If you look at my missions, you'll see event names like "poop" or "BeamzAhhhh!!!!", and my message names arent too much better. I'm gonna probably change those. Nah, I'm too lazy. :lol:
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lol, you should have seen the missions i created a few years back. The messages were named "Message 1", etc. I also didn't know how to use chains, event delays, none of that. When i made messages, I always wondered why the hell they came at the same time. You get the idea. And I had been using FRED for about 3 months now. 4 years later, i can make medium missions with lotsa bugs. in another year or so, i'll be an expert fredder (I hope)
To consider the Earth as the only populated world in infinite space is as absurd as to assert that in an entire field of millet, only one grain will grow. - Metrodorus of Chios
I wept. Mysterious forces beyond my ken had reached into my beautiful mission and energized its pilots with inhuman bomb-firing abilities. I could only imagine the GTVA warriors giving a mighty KIAAIIIIIII shout as they worked their triggers, their biceps bulging with sinew after years of Ivan Drago-esque steroid therapy and weight training. - General Battuta

 

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I'm always trying to improve with my missions. In my first week or so I was tearing my hair out trying to find out why the capships weren't firing their beams! And I only recently started making decent backrounds. Before then I just entered random numbers into the coordinates box and hoped they appeared in the right place. :D
"Your efforts to interdict me have failed, papacy. Pentagon, engage propaganda drive."
"Now, Protestant scum, you will see the power of this fully armed and operational Papal Station!"

 

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that's what i do with backgrounds. although i think i'm starting to figure it out. P=side to side, IIRC.
To consider the Earth as the only populated world in infinite space is as absurd as to assert that in an entire field of millet, only one grain will grow. - Metrodorus of Chios
I wept. Mysterious forces beyond my ken had reached into my beautiful mission and energized its pilots with inhuman bomb-firing abilities. I could only imagine the GTVA warriors giving a mighty KIAAIIIIIII shout as they worked their triggers, their biceps bulging with sinew after years of Ivan Drago-esque steroid therapy and weight training. - General Battuta

 

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P=side to side

Umm, not really.
Here's some clarification.

P stands for pitch, up and down.
P90= nebula above your head.
P270= nebula directly below you
Of you want the nebula's center to be just below the horizon, use P350

B stans for bank, or rotation of the nebula around the center. It doesent actually change the nebula's position. I don't use it much.
B90= top points right
B180= upside down
B270= top points left

H works sort of like a compass. It's the position of the nebula around the sides of the battlefield. The wierd thing is, however, as H increases, the nebula moves counterclockwise instead of clockwise around in the horizontal plane. That kinda screws me up sometimes. For example H=90 is due west, not due east. A mistake by [V], perhaps?

Anyway, you can use combinations of H and P to place the nebula anywhere you want. Just invision the backround as being sort of a coordinate sphere. I usually first move left with H, then move up with P. The B option is completley useless when placing suns. I wonder why they even have it there?

Anyway, hope this helps! :)
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i thought you said you were still trying to figure that out?
To consider the Earth as the only populated world in infinite space is as absurd as to assert that in an entire field of millet, only one grain will grow. - Metrodorus of Chios
I wept. Mysterious forces beyond my ken had reached into my beautiful mission and energized its pilots with inhuman bomb-firing abilities. I could only imagine the GTVA warriors giving a mighty KIAAIIIIIII shout as they worked their triggers, their biceps bulging with sinew after years of Ivan Drago-esque steroid therapy and weight training. - General Battuta

 

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Think he's trying to figure out how to use this knowledge to make stuff look right. :)

 

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yeah, that's it. i guess...
To consider the Earth as the only populated world in infinite space is as absurd as to assert that in an entire field of millet, only one grain will grow. - Metrodorus of Chios
I wept. Mysterious forces beyond my ken had reached into my beautiful mission and energized its pilots with inhuman bomb-firing abilities. I could only imagine the GTVA warriors giving a mighty KIAAIIIIIII shout as they worked their triggers, their biceps bulging with sinew after years of Ivan Drago-esque steroid therapy and weight training. - General Battuta

 

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It's not too hard to figure out if you just put some time in it. I just opened up fred and entered a small number in one of the fields and left the other fields at zero. And saw where the nebula was located in relation to the nose of the ulysees.

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And I only recently started making decent backrounds.


That means I picked this up just a short time ago. It was before that time when I was clueless.:dizzy:
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I just played a campaign entitled "Neo-Terra," and frankly, all thirteen of these errors come up in every mission.

The enemy wings had the strangest names, such as "Gammer" or "Longly."