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Offline Kie99

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Well, post your theories here, I'll start with mine:

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For the purposes of this theory SA means main Shivan Armada and LF means Lucifer fleet, Here goes:

The LF was a group of exiles sent out into the galaxy by SA because they were murderers. The SA didn’t know there were other species in the galaxy so they gave them 2 destroyers, The Eva & Lucifer. The LF enjoyed killing which is why they slaughtered the ancients. The LF had modified their supplies, which would last for 20,000 Years to form Shivan Super Laser, an Impervious Shield system and other weapons, which they mounted on their destroyers After the Ancients were destroyed the LF were bored for 8000 years and decided to launch all their weapons at the GTA and PVN, but the LF was destroyed and eventually eliminated completely.

32 years later a Racsh… Racshas… Shivan cruiser entered GTVA space and was immediately fired upon by the Terran cruiser. (I know the Command Briefing video contradicts this and shows the Shivan cruiser firing first, but it was unlikely to be actual footage of the battle because a massacre was implied) The SA wasn’t happy about the unprovoked murder of 5000 Shivans and immediately thought of the GTVA as an enemy. A few months later the SA captured Aken Bosch but, for the purposes of this discussion their communication was extremely crude. The SA didn’t understand Bosch but their ships were still being destroyed so they sent in a Sathanas to stop the attacks on their ships. Unfortunately it was destroyed, the Shivans were extremely angry at the Murder of 30,000 Shivans so they decided to send in a small portion of their fleet (80 Sathanes) to eliminate the GTVA entirely. At this time they managed to speak to and understand Bosch , Bosch told them about the LF and why we attacked them. The Shivans held an emergency meeting and decided that instead of wasting valuable resources going through all of their systems back to their homeworld where their fleet was they would use the Capella star as a Slingshot to get back to their Homeworld, in the process creating a nebula for the GTVA to take energy from as a peace offering, and a final farewell.

Q. Why were the GTVA ships attacked as they were evacuating Capella?

A. The attackers were rebels and relatives of Shivans killed during the war

Q. Why was the Bastion attacked?
A. The attackers were rebels and relatives of Shivans killed during the war

Q. What happened to Bosch
A. He was on one of the Cain class cruisers on the way to Vega, but was destroyed.

Q. Why did the SA have weapons
A. They wanted to be prepared in case they were ever attacked by an alien race.


Q. Anything Else
A. They're aliens :D


Stryke 9's theory:

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Stryke 9’s theory

Nah, I think this proves my theory that the Sathani are Shivan trailer homes. See, they really just wanted to make friends with the Terrans this whole time, but due to an unfortunate culture gap and some preliminary spy reports collected durign the Terran-Vasudan war, the Shivans figured our primary method of communication involved focusing high-density plasma charges into each other. Thus, Lucifer scout fleet showed up and transmitted the message "We come in peace", wiping out all nearby. Hurt and confused at the Terrans' and Vasudans' panicked flight, they followed the GTA fleet to Vasuda Prime. Knowing an important populated planet when they saw one, what subsequently ensued was the equivalent of thousands of years of Shivan history, science, and literature broken up into several easy-to-understand blasts... Thirty years later, the Shivans spot Terrans in their nebula. Curious as to what happened to their peace delegation, they accost the first fleet they see and bombard them with questions. The Terrans return fire, and, overjoyed that contact has finally been made, the Shivans mobilize their colony ships, ordering them to set up a permanent base around the nearest Terran star where Shivans and Terrans (and Vasudans, who the Shivans assumed were just more Terrans) could trade, communicate, and live in harmony. Up to the death of the Colossus, the Shivans maintained their good intentions, though they had to admit that maintaining good relations with the Terrans seemed to be getting an awful lot of them killed. It was only when the Terrans sealed off the first Capella jump node that the Shivans guessed that something was amiss. Slowly the idea formed that maybe we WEREN'T friendly, after all. Hurt by this possible breach of trust, the Shivans sent out one last delegate, headed on what they last knew as a route to the Sol system and the capitol of Terran government, housed in a Cain class executive transport. When diplomatic talks opened up prematurely and destroyed the Cain and the diplomat before a meeting, let alone consensus, could be achieved. Shocked and disgusted by the treachery of the Terrans, the Sathanas fleet blew up the Capella star in the universal signal for "farewell", which they hoped would eventually reach the remaining Terrans in other systems, and returned home, never to be seen by Terrans again.


And here is the Shivan Manifesto by Antares: Clicky Clicky
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Offline Fergus

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Oh come on, how many of these need to appear, go click the search button, this thread was filled with Shivan theories, go look at that one http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,29185.0.html

EDIT: Hey, wait a sec, you've already posted your theory somewhere...the fact you've posted it twice now make me bitterly angry...ye shall suffer.

2nd EDIT: Ye Gods, you've already tried this before http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,27756.0.html

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Offline Kie99

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Lucifer shield and no beam pierce flag initiated!  There have been a lot of newbs recently, and they might have more theories that we haven't heard before.  BTW this is the third time I posted it if you include sectorgame. *runs behind shield*
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The Shivans, Why do they do what they do?
I think the shivans that we know of are little more than worker drones... they seem artificially modified to be adapted to many tasks... which would explain their 'compound' design. Deep into shivan space there will be a small number of 'intelligent' beings that are controlling the entire shivan population. There may be one of these on the flagship of a fleet e.g. the Lucifer. Basically they harvest all resources they encounter and expand.

The Lucifer fleet was little more than a scouting wave... to decide what resources were available in a sector and try to wipe out any local resistance. It says after the Lucifer was wiped out the Shivans in the area became disoriented... because their controller was destroyed.

The destruction of the Lucifer angered the controllers of the Shivans. Although the Lucifer was a tiny ship compared to Juggernauts/larger structures in Shivan space something like it had never been destroyed before.

The controllers of the Shivans decide to send a small initial force through Gamma Draconis to concentrate the GTVA forces in the Capella area. The 'invasion' of Shivan space through the Knossos angers them further. Then they send through a huge force of 80 juggernauts (but still this is a small proportion of their fleet) to wipe out everything. The Lucifer isn't capable of supernovaing a star itself...

The juggernauts supernova Capella cos it has many humans inhabiting that system, Gamma Draconis is uninhabited. Most go into subspace to avoid the explosion... eventually they would reemerge near a jump node and move further into GTVA space. Some remain to sustain the subspace field long enough for the star to nova while allowing enough time for the others to retreat to safety.

Unfortunately for the Shivans they don't see the Bastion and Nereid as important enough to warrant a massive attack, or they are too slow to react. Their resources are spread too thin engaging convoys and supernovaing the star.

The GTVA are successful and the Shivans are trapped in Capella/Gamma Draconis/Their space, until they find another way in

Q: What happened to Bosch?
A: Probably taken away for study... or he might be seen as a worthy candidate to be a 'controller.'

I also think this thread is useless but i want my opinion down!

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Offline Falcon

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Ummm hello the Shivans were obviously following the orders of Supreme Galactic Dictator Snuffleupagus. :rolleyes:








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Offline Kie99

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I don't subscribe to this hive mind theory, if the Terrans had one command ship and then it got destroyed I think the terra fleet would be a little dis-orientated as well.  (In the tech room it says the Shivan fleet behaved weirdly after the Destruction of the Lucifer and Eva.)
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Offline IceFire

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Too many problems with that first theory.  More than two destroyers were present in FS1 (Battle of the Titans anyone?) and the Shivans possessed a fairly powerful attack force before and after the ending of that game.  It is mentioned that once the Lucifer was destroyed, the Shivans became increasingly erratic and were then subsequently hunted down and eliminated.  The source of their incusion was never found (and may have been coming from multiple directions seeing as they appeared in a number of systems without subspace linkages or without presumably high traffic from GTA or PVN warships. ie. from Ross 128 to Antares to Ribos).

In FS2, the situation is different.  The Shivans encounter the GTVA only because of a reopening of a Knossos portal that was previously closed to them.  We have no idea where in the network of nodes that the Knossos portal links to.  It may be that these Shivans are from a very different place in the galaxy than the ones that initially attacked (although they are undesputably part of the same overall group).  But the motives are different here...they happen on the GTVA (and yes the Shivans do essentially fire first or are quick to trade fire with the Terran ships that they ran into) and persue a very different agenda.  They are, after a time, aimed at the Capella star.  So whatever their goals are...they are much larger than the GTVA.

Frankly, their behavior is in some ways so much the same and some ways so different that what you get is that the two groups had vastly different agendas (although behave in the same basic way - total xenophobic destruction) and seem to operate in entirely mysterious ways (why didn't the FS1 invasion locate the Knossos portal and reactivate it if Capella was an objective - or is this a new objective in the past 32 years).

There's lots of stuff to be considered....but be very careful in forming theories.  Stuff like this:
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The LF was a group of exiles sent out into the galaxy by SA because they were murderers. The SA didn’t know there were other species in the galaxy so they gave them 2 destroyers, The Eva & Lucifer.
Goes against what actually happens in the game.  So when you form a theory and expect it to be accepted, you have to read all the tech briefings, all the mission reports, and take all of that canon information to synthesize something.

I'll also point out that both Adam Plecher and Jason Scott both expressed to me that I should not think of the Shivans as operating in the sort of "sane and rational" manner that we'd expect from humans (or Vasudans in the fictional sense).  What motivates them and drives them is as much a mystery as everything else about them.

Concepts such as outcasts, revenge, retribution, sneak attacks, and the like probably mean very little to them.
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Offline Mongoose

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Stryke 9's theory still ranks as the best one, as well as providing inspiration for the spoof campaign we all know and love. :p

 

Offline aldo_14

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My original theory was that the Shivans were fighting an xenophobic war against all life able to travel subspace, and that they met an equal foe.  And that said foe was able to 'seed' planets to allow ships to grow within (and eventually use the life upon that planet to grow and consume, like a virus), so their aim in FS1 was to take out the life-rich planets where those ships were seeded (Vasuda Prime and Earth).   And Bosch... i never really rationalised Bosch; he was basically taken for intelligence purposes.

A secondary, less imaginative (er....the above theory was far richer in it's original form) was that the Shivans are a nomadic race, living within vast Sathanas colony ships, searching for a route home - and when Bosch contacted them, they discovered they could use Capella for that.  Albeit I'm not a particularly big fan of that either - it seems to literal.  Plus the Shivans or someone have bigger ships; I'm sure there's an old interview with V (before THQ bought them) about the prospects of FS3, which mentioned ships large enough to have their own gravity well.

I have a better theory now, of course...
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Offline Flipside

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Personally, I think there is a lot about Subspace that the Terrans and Vasudans don't know. I think theres something about Subspace that the Shivans are either fighting or defending.

The 'Bigger problem' has always seemed to me to be subspace itself, maybe we are using it in a 'dangerous' way or the like?

 

Offline Kie99

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Maybe the bigger problem is the warlike nature of the Terrans and Vasudans.
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Offline aldo_14

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Originally posted by Flipside
Personally, I think there is a lot about Subspace that the Terrans and Vasudans don't know. I think theres something about Subspace that the Shivans are either fighting or defending.

The 'Bigger problem' has always seemed to me to be subspace itself, maybe we are using it in a 'dangerous' way or the like?


Or maybe it wasn't intended for us in the first place.

 

Offline FireCrack

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My best bet is the shivans are just doing all this becasue they have no reason not to, like in that book.. what's it called? the intruder??
actualy, mabye not.
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The Shivans, Why do they do what they do?


The shivans are a race from another dimension that feed directly on energy.  Energy supplies in their home dimension ran low, and they went looking for new ones - and found them in out dimension, in subspace.

Unfortunately, Subspace Energy turned out to be tasty but intoxicating, and the current shivan behavior is part of a multimillenia alien bender.

 

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[heresy]Maybe there was never supposed to be an FS3 and we were supposed to be left with all these questions to keep us wondering forever.[/heresy]
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Offline NGTM-1R

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*burns Corsair at the stake*


Though I subscribe to the Shivan Manifesto for the most part (except energy beings, I need an explanation of how that's physically possible first), I do have a theory I've worked on as a hobby.

ngtm1r’s Shivan Theory

I'm starting to think that the Shivans aren't drawn to subspace disturbances, though they are attuned to them.

The Shivans are drawn to conflict. Perhaps they believe strongly in peace: strongly enough that they are ready, willing, and able to enforce it on those who are unwilling to be peaceful. For those who attract the attention of the Shivans receive the most absolute and final form of peace imaginable: that of being dead. Or maybe the Shivans just like a good fight.

The Shivans slaughtered the Ancients, but only after a long period of time in which the Ancients were slaughtering other folks. This would seem to contradict my premise, but note that I said the Shivans were drawn to conflict, not violence. That wording was intentional.

According to the Ancients monologues most of the species the Ancients wiped out didn't (or couldn't) put up much of a fight. (“They were like all the others, hideous, resisting, fighting. Only they were not like the others. They did not die.”) I can only guess, but maybe a little while before the Shivans came along there was a species that did put up a fight, not enough of one to stop the Ancients, but enough to bloody them.

In come the Shivans, drawn to the conflict, to destroy the combatants. They only find one standing, and wipe them out. The Ancients were not a peaceful race. At first they thought the Shivans were the wrath of an angry cosmos…but not all, apparently, since they kept looking for a weakness, and they found one eventually. They learned better.

Left alone, the Ancients would have expanded again, perhaps now with even greater xenocidial tendencies thanks to the Shivans nearly wiping them out. And when the Shivans sent a new expeditionary fleet to stop them, the Ancients would have possessed the means to destroy it. Clearly they had no intention of rolling over and playing dead. The Ancients would be back. The Shivans could be beaten, they were not the gods the Ancients first thought. (“We have little left. Little time. But much irony.” “But we have no way to deliever the hurt." )

8000 years later, we have the Terran-Vasudan War. It's a long one, 14 years, and so I would guess it was not a high-intensity war for most of that time. Around the time the Shivans show up, however, it had clearly escalated to a high-intensity war. (Look at the casualty figures for Operation Thresher, for example. That's a lot of people considering they're pilots. Had they been infantry, I wouldn't have batted an eye, but five hundred pilots is an awful lot to lose in one operation.)

And here come the Shivans again, determined to enforce a final solution to the question of Terran-Vasudan relations. Only they fail. The Terrans and Vasudans unite against them, and destroy the Shivan expeditionary fleet.

But, this may well have been viewed by the Shivans as a victory. They did not immediately withdraw once the Terrans and Vasudans had made peace with each other because that peace would have evaporated almost as quickly as it had been created. So the Shivans kept fighting. If they ultimately won, there would be a final, total peace. If they ultimately lost, but made a good fight of it, one that forced the Terrans and Vasudans to work together to the fullest, to support each other economically, militarily, and socially, to integrate, then the peace between the Terrans and Vasudans might well last.

32 years later, the NTF Rebellion breaks out. It does not attract the Shivans’ attention, however. Perhaps it would have eventually, but there is a short-circuit of that process. 17 months into the NTF Rebellion, the NTC Trinity activates the subspace portal in Gamma Draconis and enters the nebula.

We actually don't know who fired first in this case. We do know the Shivans fired first on the GTC Vigilant, but we do not know if the NTC Trinity fired first on the Shivans. I find it highly probable the Trinity encountered a Shivan patrol, which closed to look over this Terran ship that had somehow entered Shivan-controlled space. The Trinity, seeing Shivan ships and knowing what the Shivans did the last time they were in the neighborhood, interprets this as the Shivan patrol preparing to attack, and opens fire.

Now, the NTF Rebellion hasn't reached the level of conflict yet where the Shivans decide to intervene. But if you're going to show up in their space and attack them, they're going to respond in kind. The Shivans dispatch a probing force through the subspace portal to take a look around, set up a base camp on the other side, and in general prepare for a sortie. The Shivans, however, do not intend to attack the GTVA. They have no reason to, yet. The Shivans are out to get the NTF. Only they probably can’t tell those two factions apart very well, if at all.

The first Rakshasa into Vega encounters the GTC Vigilant. The Rakshasa, encountering what is probably a Terran ship, attacks, not realizing that it is attacking a GTVA ship and not an NTF one. After all, the Trinity had to come from somewhere, and Vega is the most likely candidate (Gamma Draconis was uncolonized and empty).

Now the GTVA knows the Shivans are back in town. And considering that both of the member races of the GTVA lost their homeworlds because of the Shivans, from the moment the Rakshasa fired on the Vigilant there was no chance of a peaceful resolution. There was little chance that the Shivans and GTVA could have come to a peaceful resolution before the Rakshasa attacked the Vigilant.

The GTVA now must do something with that information. They choose to act on it, swiftly, decisively. The Shivans were not all that powerful in the last invasion, only a few destroyers, a bunch of cruisers, and a lot of fighters. (In fact, probably only three or four destroyers: that's all Terran Command seemed to think that there were in FS1, and if they had many more then that how the GTA and PVN weren’t destroyed before they could get their act together is hard to comprehend.) The GTVA's military arm was built and trained  for just this moment. There is no hesitation, and the order is given: Attack!

The Shivans, meanwhile, may or may not have realized their error in attacking the GTC Vigilant. At this point, it does not really matter. What they did not expect was the speed and power of the GTVA's counterattack. Vega Command hears the Vigilant's distress calls and tells the Carthage and Dashorto drop everything and head to the Gamma Draconis node. The Carthage and Dashor arrive on the scene at most a few minutes after the Vigilant is destroyed, perhaps less. The Carthage deploys fighter and bomber wings. Both it and the Dashor move to engage. The Rakshasa and its escorts never really have a chance.

This engagement gives the Shivans pause. The GTVA's ships are not the equal of their Shivan equivalents, but they are close, close enough that the difference is not insurmountable. The GTVA, meanwhile, is executing its preset war plans for second contact with the Shivans: attack with all available force, at once. They are confidant in their knowledge of Shivan ships and tactics, have trained and prepared for this battle for 32 years. They will prevail.

And prevail they do. Before the Shivans can fully digest the implications of the engagement at the Gamma Draconis node, the GTD Aquitaine arrives in Gamma Draconis and engages Shivan forces there. The Shivans are unprepared, and are driven before the Aquitaine's battlegroup or destroyed. The Aquitaine, moving at blitzkrieg pace, pushes on through the portal and engages Shivan forces in the nebula, pushing them back, inflicting heavy casualties.

The Shivans are shocked. This has never happened before. Not only has their planned offensive come a cropper before it ever got underway, a first in and of itself, but the offensive has actually been turned around on them as the GTVA pushes into the nebula.

Then suddenly, it stops. The GTVA stops pushing and merely starts to hold. The Shivans are mystified, but use the breather constructively, dispatching a Sathanas and supporting warships to push the GTVA back out of Shivan space and then end this fight in the usual Shivan fashion of annihilating all opposition. In reality, what the Shivans don't know is that the GTVA is in the process of dealing the deathblow to the NTF.

The Sathanas is coming, but it isn't there yet, when suddenly the GTVA explodes into action again, pushing harder then they had before, throwing more ships and firepower into the attack then before. The Shivan front line crumbles, and rear-area Shivan operations are opened to Allied attack (the gas miners you hit in your first Vasudan mission). But all is not lost: the Shivans finally get the Sathanas into the area, and as they hoped GTVA opposition crumbles before the might of the juggernaut.

Then the battles at either end of the Gamma Draconis-Capella node result in the destruction of the Sathanas, and suddenly the GTVA is back, pushing hard yet again, trampling the small Shivan force still in the nebula. More Sathani are dispatched.

Something odd is happening too, though: one Terran ship is not attacking them, but trying to communicate with them. The Shivans are mystified, but agree to meet Bosch and talk with him. The combat aboard the Iceni was a colossal miscommunication, a panicked crewer firing on the Shivans that boarded and the situation escalating badly before Bosch got through to both the Shivans and his crew. There were, after all, two transports that docked with the Iceni: if Bosch and company, plus the Shivan boarding party (or what was left of it) were onboard the first, who was getting on the second? Probably a good portion of the remainder of the Iceni's crew. (“As I make this final entry my crew is preparing to scuttle the Iceni and board the Shivan transports.”) But starships were not made to have firefights inside their hulls, and damage was done to the Iceni's systems. Damage that left Lieutenant Rusk and his compatriots in the dark about the peaceful ending to this encounter, although they probably wondered why the Shivans hadn't returned to exterminate them.

From their discussions with Bosch, the Shivans learn that they have made a giant mistake, starting with destroying the GTC Vigilant and moving on to every other GTVA ship and crewer or pilot they have killed since. The GTVA is acting out of an apparent need to defend themselves, not a desire to attack the Shivans. The ones who started it were the crew of the NTC Trinity: even the NTF, in the personage of Aken Bosch, never meant for there to be a war with the Shivans.

But mistake or not, the Shivans have thrown the gauntlet down, and the GTVA has picked the gauntlet up. The GTVA will never make peace with the Shivans. Rather, the GTVA will make every effort to annihilate the Shivans just as the Shivans have annihilated so many others. The Shivans no longer wish to destroy the GTVA, though. The GTVA has done nothing wrong. So somehow, they must end this fight without a formal peace.

The GTVA has Knossos technology: if the Shivans merely retreat and blow the nodes leading into the nebula, the GTVA will believe they are winning, use Knossos portals to reopen the nodes, and continue their campaign. Destroying Gamma Draconis might work. But it might not, as the GTVA might conclude it had cost the Shivans much of their Sathanas fleet, and the rest had gone somewhere else or been heavily damaged. Gamma Draconis hardly matters to the GTVA, after all. There’s nothing there.

Finally the Shivans settle on causing the Capella supernova as the best, most clear way of both sealing themselves off from GTVA incursions by that route, and sending a message: Don't screw with us. We're bigger, we're meaner, and we will kick your ***. And they carry this plan out.

The GTVA doesn't comprehend the reasoning behind what happened, but the message got through loud and clear. They know better then to screw with the Shivans now.
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Offline Corsair

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Personally, I think the Shivans are just a perversion of the dark side of The Force.
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Offline ShadowWolf_IH

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i often think that the attacks against us aren't so much attacks against us, as much as they are simply clearing us out of the way.  Let's face it, the Shivans have 80 Sath.  80.  and that's just what we know.  How many don't we know about?  They can come take our lunch money any time that they want.  I really don't think that we are the target, we are just in the way.  They don't care about us, and we are not a serious threat to them, capella proves it.  They could take us out at any time, why they don't....now that's the real question.
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Offline Razgriz

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Heres my entire idea on the thing.

The Shivans are basically another species that of course faught the Ancients 10,000 to 7,000 years ago, and won for that matter.  All that time passes, the main Shivan forces revert BACK to their own systems, but instead of pulling everything out, they leave one fleet around just incase they missed some of the Ancients, AKA-> Lucifer Fleet.

So that fleet remains dormant outside of Ross 128, and once the Terran-Vasudan war reaches its peak, and Subspace begins to appear all over the place, the waves gain the Lucifer Fleets attention, and begin thinking that the Terran-Vasudan forces are the Ancients instead.  So then the Lucifer fleet jumps to Ross 128, and the entire story begins.

Once the Lucifer and Eva are destroyed, the remaining forces ditch and hide somewhere, because their two best ships were destroyed, and decide to sit around and wait for reinforcements.

So 32 Years later, when Bosch sends the trinity to activate the Knossos subspace portal, the shivan ships hiding in the area slip in and jump back to their home systems, tell the Shivan forces back home what had happened, and then the entire force comes back, charging en masse  to attack the GTVA, who they think are the Ancients.  So most likely the Shivans have attacked the GTA-PVN, and later the GTVA because they think the Ancients are our forces.  So im guessing the Ancients put up a good fight but still lost, so the Shivans are throwing in even more firepower to stop us from expanding outwards even more to their home systems.  So most likely its just their in a major defense and dont want us to go out any closer to their home.

Ok, *gets the flame protection suit on*Flame away :nervous: