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Offline Flipside

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The UK Elections.....
Well, as many of you know, the General Election for the UK is on May 5th, here is a brief summary of the current campaign techniques :-

Labour - Conservatives will do this, Conservatives will do that nyada nyada nyada....

Conservative - Labour are doing this, Labour are doing that, nyada nyada nyada...

Lib Dem - For the main part, don't seem to have realised theres an election coming, but at least are promoting their own policies instead of slagging off everyone elses, which at least doesn't suggest distraction techniques.

It's like choosing between Bill, Ben or Weed, and quite frankly, Weed sounds appealing about now.... :nervous:

 

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Weeeeeeeed....

Yes, I think the Liberals win my vote compared to the rest of the wasters.
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Re: The UK Elections.....
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Originally posted by Flipside
Well, as many of you know, the General Election for the UK is on May 5th, here is a brief summary of the current campaign techniques :-

Labour - Conservatives will do this, Conservatives will do that nyada nyada nyada....

Conservative - Labour are doing this, Labour are doing that, nyada nyada nyada...

Lib Dem - For the main part, don't seem to have realised theres an election coming, but at least are promoting their own policies instead of slagging off everyone elses, which at least doesn't suggest distraction techniques.

It's like choosing between Bill, Ben or Weed, and quite frankly, Weed sounds appealing about now.... :nervous:


Exactly my thoughts, really.....IMO the Lib Dems are the only ones actually trying to punt their own policies rather than rely upon a strategy of choosing the exact opposite of the opposing parties policies and justifying it by criticising the other parties policy.... Labour are fear-raising with terrorism, Id cards, Tories are fear raising over gypsies and immigrants....  the thought of those 2 parties - who are now getting closer and closer on the political spectrum anyways - being the prime contenders apalls me.  

On one hand, there's Labour who IMO have done a piss poor job over their term in government (introduced tuition fees, spin, Iraq war arse-kissing, increasing authoritarianism).

On the other, there's the Tories.  Beyond my dislike of their more xenophobic policies (including not applying the human rights act to gypsies in particular, and also the attempts to subconsciously link asylum seekers/immigrants with crime via that policemans stabbing in an anti-terror op), there's the side issue that - barring a miraculous recovery - if elected they will have less than 10% of the Scottish and Welsh vote.  Which, in turn, would mean my country (and Wales) will not only likely be minoritised in the House of Commons, but also that it could become a simple scapegoat for raising funds for (for example) solving English problems (there's already apparently a tacit strategy by the Tories to cut the money to the Scottish devolved parliament and use it to make English-support boosting funding pledges).  I realise that's not an issue north of the border, but tis a big worry for me.

Anyways, there was a cartoon in the paper a while back that went pretty much as follows;

Labour; "We'll raise spending without raising taxes"
Voter; "That's impossible"

Conservatives; "We'll raise spending and cut taxes"
Voter; "That's impossible"

Lib dems; "We'll raise taxes to increase spending"
Voter; "Raise taxes?  What were the other 2 saying again?"

 

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Well the LibDems claim they're only raising taxes for people earning over 100,000 a year.

I don't earn 100,000 a year.

The Lib Dems oddly enough are the most left wing of the big three. I'm voting Lib Dem.

Basically that simple.
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Why is it odd? I thought it was quite apparent.

From what I'm seeing based here, the LibDems will get and ever-increasing part of the "youngish and educated" crowd, which bodes well for the future. Best of luck to them.

Seriously, a decade of Blair is bad enough, but another 5 years (it is 5 over there, right?) sounds like sheer hell.

 

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Most people assume the only way to finance public spending si to increase taxes. Lowering taxes (in Theory) stimulates the economy.

Wether this actually works in reality is debateable.

 

Offline Flipside

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Exactly, in fact, the funny part is that Blair is asking for his character to stop being questioned by other parties accusing him of lying over the Iraq war.

He DID lie over the Iraq war, he can throw tantrums all he likes, but he can't just say it's not very nice to point it out, he's the leader of a country which is, whether it likes it or not, a sizeable player in the scheme of things! He sent our soldiers to fight and die, and lied to do so, if he doesn't like the repurcussions later, tough.

 

Offline Roanoke

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He's been giving the usual
"Let's move on/draw a line under" soundbytes again

 

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Anything but a Conservative vote or Health concern vote is wasted around here and I don't particularly want to vote for either. I think I might go for the Monster Raving Loony Party. I like a lot of their policies.
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I still think you should be able to sue the Government for Breach of Contract if they don't keep to their election pledges.

 

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Originally posted by Roanoke
He's been giving the usual
"Let's move on/draw a line under" soundbytes again


"This isn't a referendum on the Iraq war"

Isn't that our bloody choice?!

The Tories of course, can't raise the Iraq war issue too much because they ran headfirst into supporting it; all they can do is blame Blair for lying about it, but at the same time they're wading into the strategy of just insulting the other guy, which in turn makes it look like they're trying to divert scrutiny from their own policies.

 

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Originally posted by aldo_14


"This isn't a referendum on the Iraq war"

Isn't that our bloody choice?!

The Tories of course, can't raise the Iraq war issue too much because they ran headfirst into supporting it; all they can do is blame Blair for lying about it, but at the same time they're wading into the strategy of just insulting the other guy, which in turn makes it look like they're trying to divert scrutiny from their own policies.


Still refusing to disclose the evidence that convinced him the war was just too, I see.

Scrap the ill-judged immigration thing and I may have voted Conservative. As it stands I hardly care who wins.

 

Offline Flipside

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Well, maybe if he'd had a referendum on the Iraq War before it started, he could say that, but he didn't, so I'm all for having one now.

 

Offline 01010

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Lets face it, whoever wins this one, we all lose.

I just hope that there is enough outcry about I.D cards to stop them, I know I'm going to do my part for what it's worth.
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Originally posted by Flipside
I still think you should be able to sue the Government for Breach of Contract if they don't keep to their election pledges.


Litigation is for girly-men. As is so often the case in life, 50.cal gas powered bolt-action sniper rifles are the real solution.
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For all the Lib Dem talk of promoting their own policies, they have said nothing of the economy apart from taxing people more and are concentrating on a multitude of political niches like top up fees and council tax. There's nothing particularly wrong with that, but I dread to think of what could happen if a party without a definitive economic policy get in to power.

I suggest any individual who values consumer choice and lower taxes put their mark next to the Tory candidate. They aren't making a fuss of it at the moment because the other parties have blatantly LIED about the spending plans not adding up, which the Institute for Fiscal Studies has called ambitious but definitely possible.

 

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Originally posted by Roanoke
Most people assume the only way to finance public spending si to increase taxes. Lowering taxes (in Theory) stimulates the economy.

Wether this actually works in reality is debateable.


That's supposedly what Bush did, and we all know how that turned out.
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Well, it's like the new idea from Labour...

'Let's give Crime victims Legal Aid and Lawyers as well!'

Sounds good on the outside, till you think that it (a)makes Criminal Law into a case of Litigation and (b) would be a damn site smarter to make sure there are fewer victims in the first place.

Instead of actually fixing stuff, they just keep sticking plasters over it.

 

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Originally posted by Flipside
I still think you should be able to sue the Government for Breach of Contract if they don't keep to their election pledges.


Sue them for fraud. If they lie in order to get themselves a job then you can prove that they committed fraud for monetary value.

Besides there isn't a jury in the land who wouldn't leap at the chance to stick one to the prime minister :D

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Originally posted by Rictor
Why is it odd? I thought it was quite apparent.

From what I'm seeing based here, the LibDems will get and ever-increasing part of the "youngish and educated" crowd, which bodes well for the future. Best of luck to them.

Seriously, a decade of Blair is bad enough, but another 5 years (it is 5 over there, right?) sounds like sheer hell.


I say oddly enough because the Lib Dems are supposed to be a centerist party while Labour are supposed to be the left wing ones.

As for Blair's next term if he wins Britain has a weird policy where you're Prime Minister for as long as you want as long as it's under five years and over I think two. After that you can call an election whenever you want.
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