[redmenace]

Originally posted by Swamp_Thing


Uh...because Taiwan IS chinese territory, maybe?
Would you give up Hawai if they rebelled against the mainland govt.? I think not. So why should they?

Actually, I support Taiwan and I have no problem if hawii, or the said state, brokeoff from the union since any state should have that right as long as the consent of the people of hawii is given. And yes the South had the same right to break away from the union.(although I am not certain if the consent was given) And no I don't think slavery is ok.

[krisvek]

lol....slavery BADDD....independence GOOODDD

agreed though...the whole civil war thing was a mess...good it happened, but doesnt really make any sense...prolly coulda been handled more...peacefully, i'm sure

[Kosh]

They also threatened to occupy if they showed the slightest sign of declaring independence.

They have been making similair such threats for the past 50 years or so. I personally think that it "may or may not" be independent. I will not take sides. I do this because they (the chinese on Taiwan and the mainland) do have tendencies to be nationalistic. With that in mind, it is best to avoid that land mine all together.

[krisvek]

aye, but you cant avoid it if your nation doesnt...we've pledged ourselves to defend tawaiin;  for every "we will crush youuuuu!!!' claim china has made against tawaiin, the usa has made a "we will defend youuuuu!!!" claim

[Kosh]

The US-Taiwan mutual defence treaty has been dead for 30 years. The US military is stretched thin (thanks mostly to Iraq).


But this is off topic. To get back on topic, I do wonder how that guy managed to get his hands on all that hardware. Most of the Russian stuff obviously came from the former Soviet block countries, but what about the rest?


I also heard of one case several years ago where the Russian navy was auctioning off one of their old, probably decommissioned diesel subs to the public. Not sure what it went for though.....

[redmenace]

Originally posted by krisvek
lol....slavery BADDD....independence GOOODDD

agreed though...the whole civil war thing was a mess...good it happened, but doesnt really make any sense...prolly coulda been handled more...peacefully, i'm sure

Well I was saying that to avoid, ahead of time, the inevitable questions what about the civil war and slavery. But whether or not it could have been avoided is debatable.

[krisvek]

i know  i was sorta referring to an old internet vid i saw years ago regarding metallica and napster...it was funny

ya know...if i was rich, bill-gate rich, or rich liek that other guy, i'd be buying an army too, heheh....i'd try to have it more up to date though, with 24-hour crews, and a base/fortress of operations...

read in an old popular mechanics not too long ago about jay leno taking an old gasoline-fueled tank (forget the actual make of it though) and taking it's engine out, and putting it into a custom made roadster....it was awesome looking...incredible amount of horsepower, obviously...he said it was hard NOT to burn rubber...and you could drive it wearing shorts and no shirt in the arctic if ya wanted, because the engine put off so much heat, lol

[NGTM-1R]

Originally posted by Kosh
I also heard of one case several years ago where the Russian navy was auctioning off one of their old, probably decommissioned diesel subs to the public. Not sure what it went for though.....

It was old, don't know about decommissioned; the Russians still use the Foxtrot-class operationally, I think.

Don't know about how much it went for, but it's in San Diego for the next week or so. I think a film company bought it and rents it out for movies and such. In between, they take it places by tow and let the public walk around inside.

They've also offered to sell NATO countries Victor III- and Victor II-class submarines as ASW OpFor opponents. Nobody took them up on it to my knowledge.