[psycho_fergo]

i like that new sheild tech idea..perhaps the reason they didnt use them was because perhpase something like beam weapons had a devistating effect on the sheilds....like in dune..when you use laser tech on a shieild..it has a chain reaction nuclear cataclysm or whatever....so perhaps thats why we didnt see one because they became just like a big thing to blow up when shot at...making it obsolete...

[Cobra]

Originally posted by TopAce
I still believe the theory that the Lucifer was a scout ship for the Sathanas fleet.

if the lucifer was a scouting ship, why would it have invincible sheath-shields with 2 (or 3, i dunno... stupid ) planet-destroying beams?

[Flipside]

Could be an extreme form of colony ship? Destroy what's already there then move in? And if what's already there destroys the Lucifer, then they are obviously too powerful and get the Sathy treatment?

[aldo_14]

Maybe it's not actually an attack vessel.... I remember an analogy from a book; say a microscopic - intelligent - space bacteria discovers a satellite.  It explores inside, and kills itself by tripping an electic current.  And it thinks 'this is a test, I'm dead because I failed it'; but it's not, it's just a satellite.

Maybe the Lucifer - and the Shivans - is like that.  The Shivans aren't aware they're killing civillisations and destroying planets, because they perceive things in an entirely different way.  Maybe they're just mining energy (for example); attracted to conflict and explosions without regarding them in the same way humanity, etc, does.

And soforth.

[Cobra]

ok aldo, you lost me.

[aldo_14]

If you walk on a lawn, does the grass think it's under attack?

[Cobra]

ah.

[aldo_14]

*the sound of one hand clapping*

[Fragrag]

Originally posted by aldo_14
*the sound of one hand clapping*

cl-

(Thats it, I've been reading to much Discworld novels)

[Flipside]

LOL I was thinking exactly the same thing, and infinity is duck egg Blue

[Ulala]

Great, now I'm going to have a hard time walking on the lawn.. *imagines the grass screaming in pain*

[Boomer]

Suppose the Lucifer class superdestroyer is similar to the Shivans idea of a flagship?  Perhaps that's why they put so much work into it.  The Sathanai were just the thugs that did the dirty work and heavy lifting.  The Lucifer, however, was the real head of the operation.  That would explain why the Shivans didn't want to get into a long drawn out confrontation with us in FS2.  No flagship.

[Flipside]

All I'll say is that I've always felt to a certain degree that the whole comment about 'Shivans may look insectoid, but be careful about applying Insect attributes to them' was deliberately misleading

It doesn't say Shivans don't have insectoid attributes, it simply suggests not to take it for granted that they will always act like insects would in certain situations.

[Eirs]

Okay this is my first post... So the Shivans seem like a multi-galactic species. Couldn't there be one Lucifer per galaxy to eliminate Ancient types who might arise in that galaxy? The Knossos gate in the nebulea could link to the Shivans "home" galaxy (if they have one), the big honkin' fleet could be their main fighting force, reserved for the destruction those the Shivans deem an actual threat.

...OOPs, I didn't mean to start a new thread.

[Setekh]

Welcome to HLP, Eirs.

If you can tell me which thread you wanted this post to go into, I'll merge the two and it will be just like you originally intended. Otherwise, you can keep this thread separate.

Personally, I agree that the Shivans probably have a huge armada waiting 'back home' - in subspace itself, maybe. We never seem to really get to the bottom of how much power the Shivans are capable of unleashing.

[Eirs]

I meant it to be under "Story of the Lucifer",

[Setekh]

Merged.

[pyro-manic]

Originally posted by Setekh
Personally, I agree that the Shivans probably have a huge armada waiting 'back home' - in subspace itself, maybe. We never seem to really get to the bottom of how much power the Shivans are capable of unleashing.

I don't think we want to know. There'd be nobody left to record it...

Welcome, Eirs

[JoeLo]

Originally posted by TopAce
I still believe the theory that the Lucifer was a scout ship for the Sathanas fleet.
I recall this quote by heart from the FS2 box:
'they are back, and they wonder what happened to their scouting party...'

This is about the Shivans

   Hmmm intresting point, how ever Interplay designed the box there  fore there is reason to question its cannocity(sp?).

[TopAce]

Do you mean canonity?
I have never heard that word used before, of course, it could exist.