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on: July 23, 2005, 12:31:44 am
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Reply #1 on: July 23, 2005, 04:00:43 am
:mad: bastards!
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Reply #2 on: July 23, 2005, 04:07:06 am
Pretty much sums up my feelings on the matter. The Egyptian government clamped down hard or islamic fundementalists last time this sort of **** went on.

Now that they can't run and hide in europe they'll probably get rounded up much faster.
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Reply #3 on: July 23, 2005, 07:21:45 am
Latest tally is 83 dead.... my neighbours daughter was there, but was across the bay away from the blasts.

There's not really much you can say that can convey how ****ing horrible this is, and the people behind it are.
 

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Reply #4 on: July 23, 2005, 07:38:19 am
Isn't this the same place that got attacked about ayear ago? Seems to be a popular target.
 

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Reply #5 on: July 23, 2005, 09:03:03 am
It was Taba that was attacked, but both are on the Sinai penninsula.  I'm not sure how close they are to each other.
 

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Reply #6 on: July 23, 2005, 01:41:58 pm
Taba is at the top pf the Gulf of Aqaba, Sharm is at the southern tip of the peninsula.

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Reply #7 on: July 23, 2005, 01:43:29 pm
Brilliant. Bomb your nations most important source of income. That'll help.
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Reply #8 on: July 23, 2005, 02:10:25 pm
What's next? An Asian target? How many countries do Al-Quaida want to turn against them? Evelen days after the London attacks. The next bombs will explode nine days after today.

Don't see what I mean? From 9/11, we have 11, next will be the 9. The Madrid explosions occured 911 days after World Trade Center.
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Reply #9 on: July 23, 2005, 03:42:14 pm
The primary fight of the Islamists has always been against other Muslim governments, and Egypt was always, so far as I know, Public Enemy #1. Remember, Ayman Zawahari spent time in jail for assasination of Sadat. So far as I can figure, the fight against the West is only because they are seen as the supporters and enablers of Muslim governments which are considered undesireable (Saudi, Egypt and so on; and also Israel, but that's different).
 

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Reply #10 on: July 23, 2005, 04:07:40 pm
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What's next? An Asian target? How many countries do Al-Quaida want to turn against them? Evelen days after the London attacks. The next bombs will explode nine days after today.
 



That's a good point. Especially considering that in Xinjiang province, there are muslim minorities in that area.
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Reply #11 on: July 23, 2005, 05:31:14 pm
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The primary fight of the Islamists has always been against other Muslim governments, and Egypt was always, so far as I know, Public Enemy #1. Remember, Ayman Zawahari spent time in jail for assasination of Sadat. So far as I can figure, the fight against the West is only because they are seen as the supporters and enablers of Muslim governments which are considered undesireable (Saudi, Egypt and so on; and also Israel, but that's different).


The aim of Islamic fundamentalist terrorism is to spark an Islamic revolution in the Arab world; so the targets they pick are visible 'enemies' which can be used to mobilise would-be extremists.  So the Western world is a target for multiple reasons; being predominately Christian and the history of the Crusades, support for Israel, general foreign policy (such as British colonialism in the days of the empire, or perceived US interference by supporting repressive but friendly to them regimes such as the Saudis), and so on.

 Essentially it's a case of creating an enemy to mobilise support; and then 'attacking' it to encourage tacit support to become action.  By creating this enemy of the Western crusaders, etc, fundamentalists aim to pose their brand of extremism as the best defence.  

This tactic, of course, is used across the world - in different flavours - for any sort of government.  Find a threat - real or imagined - and then attack it (to gain support by showing your strength and acting as 'protector' of the group you wish to influence).
 

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Reply #12 on: July 24, 2005, 01:45:27 am
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Reply #13 on: July 24, 2005, 02:33:34 am
How exactly is that news? The most popular conspiracy theory in the muslim world is that Israel conspired to cause the Sept 11 attacks.
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Reply #14 on: July 24, 2005, 03:14:17 am
That's..... pathetic.

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Reply #15 on: July 24, 2005, 03:48:27 am
I agree it is pretty pathetic.
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Reply #16 on: July 24, 2005, 04:42:33 am
Egypt was saying that the London bombings were a 'hoax' and never really happened...
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Reply #17 on: July 24, 2005, 04:46:50 am
That's retarded.  Got a link?
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Reply #18 on: July 24, 2005, 07:22:50 am
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Egypt was saying that the London bombings were a 'hoax' and never really happened...


Deserves a big WTF.
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Reply #19 on: July 24, 2005, 02:14:01 pm
Oh yes, curse those Zionists and crusaders! :rolleyes: Honestly, is there any hope for that part of the world growing the **** up?
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