[Nuclear1]

Originally posted by Roanoke


That's pretty wank for a Destroyer isn't ?

Well, bear in mind that the Hecate is apparently not intended to be put into battle, as in the postion where it would have to use its beam cannons offensively. Defensively (i.e. "Proving Grounds" or "Argonautica"), it has sufficient firepower to deal with its attackers while it retreats. Compare it to the Orion:

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$Subsystem:                     Turret01a, 1.875, 3.0
$Default PBanks:        ( "BGreen" )
$Subsystem:                     Turret06, 0.625, 2.0
$Default PBanks:        ( "TerSlash" )
$Subsystem:                     Turret07, 0.625, 2.0
$Default PBanks:        ( "TerSlash" )
$Subsystem:                     Turret09, 0.625, 2.0
$Default PBanks:        ( "Bgreen" )
$Subsystem:                     Turret11, 0.625, 2.0
$Default PBanks:        ( "BGreen" )


See there? Five anti-capital beams, three of them BGreens. The Orion is much more apparently intended to be used offensively, rather than as a fleet flagship or a carrier, as Hecates seem to be more comfortably used as.

I hope the solar panel would provide more energy than it uses to spin.

I definitely misworded that. I realized the instant after I posted that a solar panel provides power, not eats it up. But still, seeing as how a science vessel could be better used for research, a significant amount of power would be shunted to the laboratories, right?

[NGTM-1R]

Originally posted by Kosh

Plus why should a science vessel be able to outgun an Aeolus in terms of capital ship firepower?

It still doesn't, you realize. Even with all those anti-cap slash beams. The bottom line is that a Leviathan can kick out more raw damage then a Deimos. The Deimos just lives longer.

Type 3 beam=consumes more power then slash mount.
Volume: Aeolus < Science vessel
Aeolus=2 Type 3 beams
Science Vessel=3 slash beams

I'm not seeing the problem here.

[Kosh]

See there? Five anti-capital beams, three of them BGreens. The Orion is much more apparently intended to be used offensively, rather than as a fleet flagship or a carrier, as Hecates seem to be more comfortably used as.

Ok, I was wrong. I forgot about that.

Type 3 beam=consumes more power then slash mount.
Volume: Aeolus < Science vessel
Aeolus=2 Type 3 beams
Science Vessel=3 slash beams

SGreens suck. It is crippled by it's llloooonnnnnggggg 45 second recharge rate.

Sgreen's table info:
$Fire Wait: 45.0 ;; in seconds
$Damage: 210 ;; NOTE: for beam weapons this is kind of a "continuous" damage applied every few fractions of a second that the beam is on.


Terslash's table info:
$Fire Wait: 10.0 ;; in seconds
$Damage: 350 ;; NOTE: for beam weapons this is kind of a "continuous" damage applied every few fractions of a second that the beam is on.



As you can tell, the Terslash is vastly superior to the SGreens that the Aoelus has.

[Cobra]

maybe the SGreens were earlier Terran beams?

(and can we please stop spamming?)

[Black Wolf]

Originally posted by Cobra
(and can we please stop spamming?)

*Bursts out laughing*

Brilliant. Sig worthy, if it weren't so contextually defined.

[Nuclear1]

I don't see any spam here. I see completely on-topic discussions relating to beams, fire-control systems, balanced warships, and mods. Seriously, if this were "spam", we would be much further away from the Plato than you can imagine.

Spam, by definition, consists of making useless posts with only useless information, smilies only, or just idiotic crap. Nothing I see hear contains any of that. It may have gone slightly off from the Plato, but it has generated a decent discussion about beam cannons that I, for one, find helpful.

Cobra, you need to learn to not get mad when somebody turns the spotlight away from you or your work, at least when it does something useful. We've already discussed the Plato, and now we're talking about beam cannons.

As for the discussion:

As you can tell, the Terslash is vastly superior to the SGreens that the Aoelus has.

I agree about the 45 second delay making the SGreen look bad, but also take a look at the fact that the TerSlash beam is just that: a slash beam. SGreens, when they fire, either hit a target or not, and if they do hit, they do their own damage to the target in one area. The TerSlash beams, on the other hand, spread their damage out over a wider area (damaging more subsystems) and have a chance of hitting and then losing its target, or vice versa.

Overall, they seem equal, as the TerSlash, IMO, seems to do about as much damage on one burst as the SGreen does, factoring in Slash misses. The fire rate makes the difference, however, and it's in this case that the TerSlash is much better.

[FireCrack]

The thing is, taht sgreens are the most absolutley pitifull beam in the game, it does the least damage per minute out of any beam, 3647 dam/min, terslashes do 19250 damage/min, over 5 times as much, even with frequent missies this would make the terslash by fa the better beam.

Hell, ultra-AAA's are more powerfull than the sgreen, but then again, those are meant ot literaly sodemise fighters with their long powerfull shaft.

[Kie99]

Originally posted by nuclear1

See there? Five anti-capital beams, three of them BGreens. The Orion is much more apparently intended to be used offensively, rather than as a fleet flagship or a carrier

Which is completely departed from it's original purpose.  The Hecate seems to have taken over in the area where the Orion did best, and beams have allowed the Orion to serve a new and and completely different purpose.

[Nuclear1]

Exactly! Ah, the wonders of technological development and progress.

Hell, ultra-AAA's are more powerfull than the sgreen, but then again, those are meant ot literaly sodemise fighters with their long powerfull shaft.

That really deserves to go in a signature, but it seems too long.

[Kosh]

The TerSlash beams, on the other hand, spread their damage out over a wider area (damaging more subsystems) and have a chance of hitting and then losing its target, or vice versa

While they are more subsystem oriented because they rake across the hull, they still have a much higher base damage than SGreens do. I just checked the table and the multipliers for shields, hull, and subsystems are all 1.0.

Brilliant. Sig worthy, if it weren't so contextually defined.

It's not that contextually defined if you think about it. I think everybody in the forum knows by now that he has been a major source of spam ever since he got here.

True, we all spam a little bit once in a while, but he has a record of doing it a lot.

[NGTM-1R]

Originally posted by Kosh

As you can tell, the Terslash is vastly superior to the SGreens that the Aoelus has.

I have in mind a particular circumstance; one of the missions from Cleaning Crew. You have a Moloch, a Deimos, and a Leviathan. Now, the Deimos is shooting up the Moloch but really isn't doing much at all. Each paired slash shot from the forward beams is good for about 1% hull strength, or less. The Leviathan jumps in and opens fire, and each hit from the SGreen is doing 5-7% hull damage.

Given the slash-type's inherent inaccuracy, there are many cases where you can get better performance out of an SGreen, as the Slash has a tendancy to run off the hull of the target with some ships.

[WMCoolmon]

A science vessel shouldn't have any capital ship weaponry. It's a science vessel, for crying out loud!

Personally I think the guy who commissions ship designs for the GTVA is on crack or something. How the hell do only a dozen Aeoluses get produced? They're death to any non-treb fighters and can easily stand up to anything below destroyer size.

But I did like the Silent Eye in Transcendant. I took a look at the armanment and started to wonder if it was some kind of time travel ship or some SOC cover-up thing.

[Kosh]

They're death to any non-treb fighters and can easily stand up to anything below destroyer size.

And non-Maxim fighters. But they get pwn3d pretty badly by corvettes. Then again so do all the other cruisers, except for the Lilith of course.

[Cobra]

Originally posted by Kosh
It's not that contextually defined if you think about it. I think everybody in the forum knows by now that he has been a major source of spam ever since he got here.

True, we all spam a little bit once in a while, but he has a record of doing it a lot.

*sigh* you know what? screw you. i do my best to contribute to this god-forsaken community, and all you say is "SPAMMER!!111".

[Falcon]

Be nice....

Anyways...

Does anyone know what the Green Beam is for? It just sits there in the weapons table and I havn't seen any ship that uses it.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by WMCoolmon
Personally I think the guy who commissions ship designs for the GTVA is on crack or something. How the hell do only a dozen Aeoluses get produced? They're death to any non-treb fighters and can easily stand up to anything below destroyer size.

The Aeolus was expensive. Command probably prefered to have a Diemos instead of 1 and a half Aeoluses.

[Jal-18]

Originally posted by Cobra


*sigh* you know what? screw you. i do my best to contribute to this god-forsaken community, and all you say is "SPAMMER!!111".

Marweas, is that you?!?

[TopAce]

Originally posted by Cobra


*sigh* you know what? screw you. i do my best to contribute to this god-forsaken community, and all you say is "SPAMMER!!111".

Just give it a different designation, like GTC and don't name it like as if it were a science vessel (Plato). After that, no-one should say it has too much firepower for a science vessel.

One more thing: You can make its weapons weaker and state that these craft are usually deployed in large numbers (from 3 to whatever the GTVA can afford).

[BlackDove]

Originally posted by Cobra


*sigh* you know what? screw you. i do my best to contribute to this god-forsaken community, and all you say is "SPAMMER!!111".

We're so grateful to you. Please don't leave us. We're lost without you.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Falcon
Be nice....

I agree. Get back on topic and stop baiting Cobra everyone.

Even if it is amusing

And Cobra, stop rising to the bait. Not everyone in the community is out to personally attack you for everything you do.

As for the mod itself I quite liked it. It fit in with Transcend quite well although it is heavily overgunned for a vessel its size.