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Offline vyper

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What exactly was censored? (don't **** about, I'm up at this hour because I have the cold and can't sleep :p )
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I think this is bull. I think its fine to torture dingheads..



Maybe if someone totured you you would think otherwise.
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Originally posted by vyper
What exactly was censored? (don't **** about, I'm up at this hour because I have the cold and can't sleep :p )


CHRISTOFACIST was censored. :p

Or was that neo-con?

...maybe it was dinghead that was censored?
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"We could torture him."

"I was tortured once. I didn't like it. You know what the ****ed-up thing is? They tore off my right nut. Sort of turned me off to the whole thing."

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There are three self-described Christians on staff here: Setekh, Sandwich, and me.  As for who censored Kazan's pet insult, I believe it was Raa who petitioned for it and Sandwich who added it to the filter.  And I doubt either of them would agree that they are a "theofascist".

Now with that out of the way, let's kindly not turn this into another religious thread. :)


I thought it was me?  Anyways, so long as christo...etc isn't listed in the dictionary, it's not a political term.  Petition Collins or something if that's a problem.  I always felt it was quite insulting, because there's an implication that Christianity equates to facism in it.

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I think this is bull. I think its fine to torture dingheads..


:rolleyes:  The US school system at it's finest?

What the **** does 'dinghead' mean, anyways?

 

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I always felt it was quite insulting, because there's an implication that Christianity equates to facism in it.

I think the implication is more that a particular sociopolitical movement has used Christianity in its arsenal. But then again, I think any organized value system is proto-fascism. (That's not to say I don't think we need them.)

I was a little puzzled by "dingheads" myself. My Google search yielded very little that was even offensive-- clothing manufacturers, etc.
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Dinghead is the new christofacist ;)

Sort of like how grey is the new black.

Actually I do think it was neoconservative or somesuch that was actually banned as that's a real term, not a Kazanism. (though christofacist is fun, try to say it three times fast and Billy Graham will appear from thin air like Beetlejuice, or like... Derek... SMART! :) )
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Originally posted by aldo_14


I thought it was me?  Anyways, so long as christo...etc isn't listed in the dictionary, it's not a political term.


1) Jargon often doesn't make it into main dictionaries so :rolleyes:


so clue meet aldo, aldo meet clue

 
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 I always felt it was quite insulting, because there's an implication that Christianity equates to facism in it.


I'm sorry that you're incapable of reading the definition of the term that i've repeated nine million times. :rolleyes:

 Christofa5c1sm is just like the term islamofascism - it refers to certain members of that religion who wish to turn their countries into authoritarian theocracies.  I know quite a few christians who are very appauled by the behavior of the christofa5c1sts and fight against them.


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I think the implication is more that a particular sociopolitical movement has used Christianity in its arsenal.



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Dinghead is the new christofacist ;)

Sort of like how grey is the new black.

Actually I do think it was neoconservative or somesuch that was actually banned as that's a real term, not a Kazanism. (though christofacist is fun, try to say it three times fast and Billy Graham will appear from thin air like Beetlejuice, or like... Derek... SMART! :) )


neither term is a kazanism
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A thing of pied beauty, the human language, is it not? An accidental work of art, something so limitlessly flexible.
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Originally posted by Kazan


1) Jargon often doesn't make it into main dictionaries so :rolleyes:


so clue meet aldo, aldo meet clue


Why do you always result to insulting people who disagree with you?  

Or, when they accuse you fo being wrong or somesuch, you often accuse them of trying to (paraphrase) 'insult your intelligence'.

What's up with that?

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I'm sorry that you're incapable of reading the definition of the term that i've repeated nine million times. :rolleyes:

 Christofa5c1sm is just like the term islamofascism - it refers to certain members of that religion who wish to turn their countries into authoritarian theocracies.  I know quite a few christians who are very appauled by the behavior of the christofa5c1sts and fight against them.
 


I think calling people facists to try and win an arguement runs pretty much to Godwins law.  By connotating people who support, say, the republican party of the US to the people who supported Hitler, or Mussolini, etc, it's not a very nice thing, is it?  And it's not as if it conveys any new information or context.

Do you actually need the word?  What's wrong with, say, 'fundie'?

 

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He's not talking about the Republican party. He's talking about a faction in the US that seeks to impose a militant code of ethics on the population at the inevitable expense of all opposing viewpoints. Now, I will not make any inflammatory claims regarding this faction's size or level of influence, but I do agree with Kazan that the religious right in this country is a fascist movement.
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Exepct?  Nothing more.

Want?  Humane treatment, rule of law, adherence to conventions against torture.  Y'know, all the things that this 'war on terror' is supposed to be fighting to preserve.

Plus torture is considered inherently unreliable in any case; it tends to make the person more likely to say what the torturer wants, than anything they actually know.  (also, if they genuinely don't know anything, then their choice is lying and making stuff up, or suffering indefinately)

I'm not sure this is really 'war', though.  Doesn't feel like a war over here, there's not any threat of invasion (and minimal threat of actual attack; I think the odds of being killed in a terrorist act are about 120,000 to one or so, probably higher).  I guess Iraq is a war, but that wasn't really part of this purported 'war on terror' in anything but rhetoric.  It's a bit like the 'war on drugs'' or the 'war on cancer', I guess.



That's what I said; that's what they already do.


You got no arguments from me about that.
Totture allways was and will be brutal and unreliable - but savage and stupid people (the army and secret services) don't know better.
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Originally posted by Ford Prefect
He's not talking about the Republican party. He's talking about a faction in the US that seeks to impose a militant code of ethics on the population at the inevitable expense of all opposing viewpoints. Now, I will not make any inflammatory claims regarding this faction's size or level of influence, but I do agree with Kazan that the religious right in this country is a fascist movement.


Well, call them facists then.  I'm sorry, but every time I've seen christo-facist used, it's been seemingly as a veiled insult intended to basically annoy rather than provide factual context, etc.   To me - and I agree US fundamentalists are a destructive force that I'm glad to be thousands of miles from - the whole meaning of the word (intentional or not) is to insinuate christianity is synonymous facism and thus insult both, and to me that's inaccurate and detracts from the core of the arguement.  I'd apply the same to islamofacist, etc.  

And from another perspective, using it also implies religion is a valid base for that sort of, well, facism, which to me is the first part of that ideology you have to remove.  Otherwise attacking, say, the fundamentalists will look as much an attack on the validity their religion as upon  their political beliefs, which is divisive; it's no wonder these guys try to characterise what they don't like as aetheistic.

I think if you keep launching attacks about christo-facist this, christo-facist that, it just causes confusion about what you're attacking - facism or christianity?

 

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I agree. I find the word annoying as well. I just wanted to draw a distinction between Newspeak mudslinging and what I think is a legitimate political argument.
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I agree. I find the word annoying as well. I just wanted to draw a distinction between Newspeak mudslinging and what I think is a legitimate political argument.


Aye, fair enough.  My main reason for not liking it was because I thought it kind of drew attention away from the issues in threads and soforth.

 

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I think you're all ****ing nuts (says the man who posted last night while burning up...). Christofascist implies someone who is so fervent in their beliefs they support a theocracy in all but name, and I don't see how that insults all of christianity.

Besides which, we just moved from censoring swear words to censoring terms people don't find politicially or philosophically comfortable. That's rather ironic if the word that was banned mentioned fascism.

Excuse me, I have a nose to blow.

Edit: No, you're a bunch of Nazis now, I can't believe I had to edit this to get one word (which is a pop-culture term, not even a curse) to appear.
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Originally posted by Charismatic
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I think this is bull. I think its fine to torture dingheads..


Superb. Let's advocate the barbaric practice of inflicting pain and suffering on human beings, but God forbid we say anything stronger than 'dingheads!'



Also, yes, silly word filter is worthless. And barring somebody's pet insult is bad form, even if it is incredibly sad and stupid.

 

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I think you're all ****ing nuts (says the man who posted last night while burning up...). ************** implies someone who is so fervent in their beliefs they support a theocracy in all but name, and I don't see how that insults all of christianity.

Besides which, we just moved from censoring swear words to censoring terms people don't find politicially or philosophically comfortable. That's rather ironic if the word that was banned mentioned fascism.

Excuse me, I have a nose to blow.

Edit: No, you're a bunch of Nazis now, I can't believe I had to edit this to get one word (which is a pop-culture term, not even a curse) to appear.

I never said I supported the word being censored. I abhor censorship. We were simply discussing the merit of its use.
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