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Offline Kazan

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I'm sorry - but if your argument against me rests on logical fallacies and being willfully misinformed I'm going to put you on ignore


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 I always felt it was quite insulting, because there's an implication that Christianity equates to facism in it.


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Aye, fair enough.  My main reason for not liking it was because I thought it kind of drew attention away from the issues in threads and soforth.


hrm.... consistency?
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A thing of pied beauty, the human language, is it not? An accidental work of art, something so limitlessly flexible.


That's beautiful, man. Sell it to Hallmark, they can make a series of cards to comfort those kids who always fail their spelling tests.

 

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That's beautiful, man. Sell it to Hallmark, they can make a series of cards to comfort those kids who always fail their spelling tests.
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Kazan, your argument should speak for itself. There's no reason to call anyone ignorant any more than stupid.

Rictor, those kids would never appreciate the god-like beauty and Apollonian perfection of my words. It would be blasphemous.
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Political censorship of things like this (be it words or ideas) has typically been associated with the worst of the worlds governing bodies.

To be honest, I can't see why you need to censor it. I can kind of see the case for censoring Swear words (though I don't actually agree with it), but christofascist? Anyone who feels offended by reading that shouldn't be on the internet.

Now, the situations of its use are another question entirely, but that's neither here nor there.
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It's no different from when the Admins censored Bush.  Since it's obviously possible and actually quite easy to defeat the filter, it's more of a point to people who use it too often without regard for its meaning than it is an attempt to stifle any form of speach.  I don't agree with it either, but given who managed to use it enough to get it temporarily added to the curse filter it's not exactly a suprise.
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Originally posted by Kazan

hrm.... consistency?


You misunderstand me.  My feeling is that there is an intentional or otherwise connotation in the word that in many cases is, will, or is intended to cause offence.  Also, I think it detracts from the political definition of facism and it's application, being jargon/slang; furthermore that said connotation makes the use of the word seem an attack upon religion as much as a particular political demographic, owing to the fact there is no literal definition of it.

 As such, I think that acts to misdirect threads from the basis of politics, to be somewhat of an 'aetheist vs christian' type situation.  People are likely to assume (in my reckoning) that the implication is that these people are facist because they are chrisitian, and feel compelled to defend the part of the situation.  

Whilst they may not agree with the intent or phraseology of said political demographic, they may feel inclined to partially align with it if they feel their own religious, rather than political, beliefs are being attacked.

You can put me on ignore if you wish, but I'm not sure throwing a hissy fit because I disagree with you is the best course of action.  That, I think, would become wilful ignorance of anything I say in any possible future thread, and I'm sure you wouldn't appreciate being considered ignorant.

Incidentally, if you look up the word 'ignorant' and 'stupid' in the dictionary, you'll find the words are very similar in meaning, and almost universally are regarded as the same insult.  Please don't play semantics, it's demeaning to us both.

  

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I have to say that this particular term has irritated me more than once in the past when Kazan has tried to apply it to me.  I will freely admit that I am a Christian, and I am a pretty staunch conservative.  However, the views I have stated that have caused Kazan to use that particular term against me are a pretty far cry from fascism or a theocracy, at least in my own humble opinion.  (I'm not going to restart any old debates here, but I'm sure most people get the idea.)  My problem isn't exactly the word itself, even though I think it can be taken very easily to imply that all Christians hold fascist views.  My real problem is that Kazan seemingly chooses to apply it every time someone expresses values that go against what he personally believes in anything remotely related to the Christian faith.  I don't think that censorship is necessarily the way to go here, although I will say that it feels great to not have to see that word flying around everywhere. :p

 

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its used when he sees people who think that they have the right, no, responcibility to legislate there faith onto other people. it's an implication that such people beilive that it is the governments job to instill there christian beleifes on the people.
it's acurate.

oh, and as will be funny for all the word actualy is a basturdisation of the word Islamofascist wich was an invention of off the wall nuty conservitive talk show host michael savage.
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So Kazan has taken to heart a term that is the offspring of a term coined by Michael Savage.

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does sort of bring a tear to one's eye :)
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Kazan, your argument should speak for itself. There's no reason to call anyone ignorant any more than stupid.

Rictor, those kids would never appreciate the god-like beauty and Apollonian perfection of my words. It would be blasphemous.


'calling' someone ignorant is just saying that they are not informed - ie they don't have the information.  It's not an insult.
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Bobboau+Ford I wasn't the one that corrupted Savages abusive term into a real political science term - some PhD in political science did that and I happened to find it fitting.

And thanks for the backup guys :D


Mongoose: I apply that term in exactly the manner the bobboau stated.  You can be a conservative, you can be a christian - don't attempt to legislate your religion - that makes you just like the people your president calls islamofascists - except you're christians.
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'calling' someone ignorant is just saying that they are not informed - ie they don't have the information. It's not an insult.

Well, it kind of is if you make a point of saying it. If you felt that aldo was uninformed, you could have supplied him with the information without making a point of stating that he was ignorant, especially since you stated it in such a... figurative manner.

And yes, we know you didn't invent the term, but just that you're using a word that was spawned from Michael Savage is tickling me all over.
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Yes, irony is sweet is it not :D
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its used when he sees people who think that they have the right, no, responcibility to legislate there faith onto other people. it's an implication that such people beilive that it is the governments job to instill there christian beleifes on the people.
it's acurate.

I don't want to drag this out any longer, but I do want to make one final statement.  No matter how any of my posts have come across, I have never, nor will I never, support imposing my personal beliefs for their own sake on other people.  If I do support a position that happens to coincide with a particular belief of my faith, I will always do so for reasons that go beyond my personal faith, such as a belief that it benefits the common good or improves society as a whole.  I don't see this type of outlook as any sort of fascism whatsoever; we all choose to support positions because we think they will make society better, no matter where our beliefs originated from or what they were inspired by.  I'm not expecting anyone to take me seriously, but that's the way I see myself, and that's all I'll say on the matter.

 

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Mongoose but you never have been able to validate your opinion that it helps people - it competely comes down to the fact that it's your religion so you think it's right and therefore it helps people and that's why you're wanting to legislate it

that's legislating your religion
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this nation wasn't founded on the beleif that the government's role was to tell you how to live. it was founded on the idea that you know best how to fufill your own potential, and that no one has the right to tell you how to live.
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