[Bobboau]

I could

[Ace]

Sounds like Liberator is saying god is like The Many from System Shock 2.

This whole willing quasi-merger with a deity figure thing is pretty ****ed up if you ask me...

[demon442]

Originally posted by Bobboau
well I don't see the problem, once god dictates wich opinion to be corect, then those who do no hold to it are cast out from heaven and sent to burn in hell for the rest of eternity, everyone else stays in heaven, so long as they hold to the party line.

Which is fundamentally wrong and completely going against everything the christian god is all about.  Why should I be forced to lose my better part and be forced to keep my mouth shut when something like this would happen?  Thats more of a hell than the 'lake of fire' that christians keep going on about.

I would much rather burn than be stripped of what makes me who I am.  I am the sum of my yesterdays, and willing to fight back when pushed.  Plus, I could never coexist with the christian god.  I'd be another Lucifer.

[Bobboau]

mmmm.... you do know I'm atheist right?

anyway, a more likely scenario is that only people who would never argue are let in in the first place

[Star Dragon]

Have you (or anyone else here) Played that sim game Afterlife? I think you play a neutral party and send souls to heaven and hell as you see fit and construct areas in both for their respective poplations.  I was just curious what people thought of it's gameplay... I'm usually not into those kind of games.

[Edit] Oh I almost forgot, why would that be a joke? In heaven I fully expect a chance to boink some of the Victoria's Secret angels! And that T-shirt I mentioned is one of my favorites!

[TrashMan]

Originally posted by jdjtcagle


Well when you think about it. There still has to be sin and imperfection in Heaven. I agree

*Puts on a "Humanity is endlessly stupid! Kill yourself!" T-Shirt*

1. Eden is NOT heaven

2. Those who are good go to heaven. You don't necesarily have to be a Christian to qualify.

[Grim Divine]

Trashman:

1. There is no heaven. It's a "carrot on a stick" for christians, muslims, etc.

2. Bull****! Tell me then: if I'm a canibal, and eat tons of humans thru my life (ofcourse, I have to kill them first ), what will happen to me?
If I believe in my "god of canibals", whorship him, make missions to uncivilised countries , what will happen to me?

[Ghostavo]

Eden is NOT heaven, but GOD still had a presence there and I recall someone saying something like....

Originally posted by Liberator
in God's presence you don't need any of that stuff anymore.

Should you say that god was not physically present there, I would remind the whole Jesus and Trinity thingy coupled with the crucifiction.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by TrashMan
1. Eden is NOT heaven

Satan lived in heaven. Not in Eden. If what Lib says is true he could never have fallen.

[Setekh]

I'm just going to be a cross between tired and mysterious by saying that most of this thread is built upon false assumptions of the Biblical text.

[an0n]

IIRC the Bible (old testament) doesn't refer to any 'angels', merely manifestations of the divine. So there goes most of Christianity. The entire Nativity is therefore ficticious or perverted to suit the goals of someone long dead.

And back on-topic: If the presence of God is such that it inhibits actions which I should so choose to partake in, then you're basically contradicting every major religion in the world. Because if you've ever asked "Why does God let bad things happen to good people?" and gotten the answer "Free will".........well, you can see where I'm going with this.

Now, if God is willing to alter the thoughts and minds of the souls that enter Heaven, souls no longer have any importance. It'd be like having a copy of Starcraft on one computer, ST:Armada on another and HalfLife on a 3rd, then reformatting them and installing Linux. What use is Starcraft if you're never going to play it?

So by the definition of you fools, either God doesn't give a **** about free will or my aforementioned scenario kicks in and all Heaven collapses. Since I've already explored the latter, I'll now explore the former.

If God doesn't give a rats ass about free will then you're left with 2 reasons: 1) He purposely and deliberately lets people suffer and sin so that a load end up in Hell and the rest end up being formatted in Heaven: Eternal suffering or effective soul-death, 2) He lacks the power to influence people on Earth, in which case he's little more than a supernatural predator, picking off the souls of the dead to suit whatever ends he strives towards.

So, assuming Heaven does somehow defy all logic and actually works without exploding, I'd rather go to Hell. Because God sounds, at best, like a dick and, at worst, like something very ****ing evil.

[diamondgeezer]

Originally posted by Setekh
... most of this thread is built upon false assumptions of the Biblical text.

Says you. Why is your interpretation the right one?

[TrashMan]

An0n, why don't you just accept the fact that you can't explain Heaven with your puny liitle brain.

Christianity has been questioned, inspected, disected and people far more smarter than you have been trying to undermine it for centuries.

And it is still here.

*b.t.w - If in heaven you would feel endless happines & bliss, you wouldn't give a damn about other stuff (or your own free will). Brainwash?
The ultime drug?

Oh..you don't have to worry about going to Heaven tough....Slim chance of that happening...

[diamondgeezer]

Ooh dear. You're going to get owned, Trash. Incidentally,

Originally posted by TrashMan
Christianity has been questioned, inspected, disected and people far more smarter than you have been trying to undermine it for centuries.

And it is still here.

With the bottom rapidly falling out as church attendence dwindles all over the western world. Most people have opened their eyes and begun to question, see?

[Zuljin]

Originally posted by TrashMan
An0n, why don't you just accept the fact that you can't explain Heaven with your puny liitle brain.

Christianity has been questioned, inspected, disected and people far more smarter than you have been trying to undermine it for centuries.

And it is still here.

*b.t.w - If in heaven you would feel endless happines & bliss, you wouldn't give a damn about other stuff (or your own free will). Brainwash?
The ultime drug?

Oh..you don't have to worry about going to Heaven tough....Slim chance of that happening...

Well, seeing as though several hundred years ago, you'd be labeled as a heretic and blasphemer if you didn't believe in christianity.
Which usually either got you burned as a witch or the like or just outright tortured and killed.

So ofcourse it's still here.
Christianity has been imprinted into our very lives, many of us are born and raised with it, and not being able to even choose because if misconceptions and sometimes blatant ignorance.

But ofcourse, what do I know, I'm simply an atheist who cannot understand it because I don't believe.

*stops ranting*

I don't mean to offend anyone with this post if that is so, this is simply my view.

[jdjtcagle]

and your free to your view

Anon quit insulting christian views when you haven't experienced them for yourself...

(Got Bible?)

[Stunaep]

Originally posted by jdjtcagle


Anon quit insulting christian views when you haven't experienced them for yourself...
 

Ever heard of the expression "You don't have to taste **** to know it's ****"?

Seriously though, there's a reason why the official philosophy of the catholic church is the one made by Aquino Thomas, who sais, basically, that we should just believe in divine things, and not try to explain them. Which I choose to ignore. So take it away, an0n.

[Knight Templar]

Originally posted by TrashMan
2. Those who are good go to heaven. You don't necesarily have to be a Christian to qualify.

Right, you just need to be into the whole Jesus thing... which by definition, makes you some sort of Christian afaik.

[Ace]

Originally posted by jdjtcagle
Anon quit insulting christian views when you haven't experienced them for yourself...

So you're saying you've been to heaven and came back?

So Mohammad, what the hell is up with the folks in the Middle East?

[jdjtcagle]

Nope never been to heaven...  I was referring to the "IIRC the Bible (old testament) doesn't refer to any 'angels', merely manifestations of the divine. So there goes most of Christianity. The entire Nativity is therefore ficticious or perverted to suit the goals of someone long dead."