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Offline Bobboau

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Re: More proof of evolution
something I found while trying to find my post with the P&T link:
you can't spell ludicrous with out the letters ICR :).

anyway
Wasn't ICR on that episode of Penn&Teller about this? jr2 should really watch it.

sence you brought it up
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Re: More proof of evolution
Thursday i also am intending to get my manager from work, teh link to this site so he can check out this topic, as he Is knoloageable about things, and world affiars (IE: The crap with Israle and stuff), and porbably knows more then me on this subject.

well, hopefully this time we'll get someone who can actualy engage in the discussion rather than just snipe at it once every other week.
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Re: More proof of evolution
m, just how old are you? Some of the points you pointed out can be picked apart by 12/13 year old children. I'm serious, at that age I was learning about plate tectonics and evolution in school. Very basic might I add, but enough to clear some of those doubts.

Well, according to this, you are apparently 18.

Since you haven't figured out how to check someone's profile on the HLP yet, I went and figured it out for you (although I already know m's age anyways).

 

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Re: More proof of evolution
Eat linkies.
www.answersingenesis.org

this next one i found interesting
www.icr.org

(does this link not work for you guys or is it just me?)
www.creationresearchsociety.org
Erm, the last one should be http://www.creationresearch.org/

 

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Re: More proof of evolution
Since you haven't figured out how to check someone's profile on the HLP yet, I went and figured it out for you (although I already know m's age anyways).
That changes nothing, only that he is somewhat uneducated for a person of his age. Hell, I could explain the basics of plate tectonics and continental drift when I was 14, and he's 17 and never even heard of it!

 

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Re: More proof of evolution
I wasn't commenting on his age in relation to his knowledge; I was commenting on your inability to answer your own question.   ;7

Anyways, I am quite sure that m knows about plate tectonics, and I know he knows about evolution.  We discuss this thread sometimes, when we have spare time, which we wish we had more of.

Adequate response to questions & points posted here take alot of time, so it's easier to point to another source that's done the work for you & hope the other side has the spare time to read it, which they probably don't.  (I'm going to try to read some of those books, if for no other reason than to pass time on the night shift.)

 

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Re: More proof of evolution
I wasn't commenting on his age in relation to his knowledge; I was commenting on your inability to answer your own question.   ;7

Anyways, I am quite sure that m knows about plate tectonics, and I know he knows about evolution.  We discuss this thread sometimes, when we have spare time, which we wish we had more of.
I didn't ask the question, Ghost did. And I truly question that he [m] knows anything about Plate Tectonics and soforth, as he was asking questions that any Year 8 high-school student can answer quite readily.

 

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Re: More proof of evolution
Plate tectonics..................Do you guys reckon theres an infinite supply of magma etc , or will the earth stop growing after a few billion years after the continental **** reaches its zenith?
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Re: More proof of evolution
Age is no barrier to learning, after all.

(Actually, it's better to learn these things young; the brain is designed that way, something which unfortunately makes early-age indoctrination very hard to rectify)

I wasn't commenting on his age in relation to his knowledge; I was commenting on your inability to answer your own question.   ;7

Anyways, I am quite sure that m knows about plate tectonics, and I know he knows about evolution.  We discuss this thread sometimes, when we have spare time, which we wish we had more of.

It's pretty clear he doesn't, given the number of misunderstandings I've seen so far in this thread.  It seems to be a common problem for ID-ers/creationists - perceived problems with evolution that are really stemming from the writers own failure to fully understand the theory.  Mind you, I'd apply the same to you based on your statements, so maybe you're not the best equipped to judge someones knowledge of evolution?
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Re: More proof of evolution
Plate tectonics..................Do you guys reckon theres an infinite supply of magma etc , or will the earth stop growing after a few billion years after the continental **** reaches its zenith?
Growing? Uh... Earth doesn't grow, people stopped believing that early last century.

To answer your question; yes, the Earth is cooling, slowly but surely. Once this cooling has reached a certain stage [we're talking a billion years or two], plate tectonics will effectively cease, and continents will no longer drift. But remember, continental drift is not culminating in anything, meaning there is no 'zenith', it's a constant process that has been going for as long as there have been plates, and will continue until the aesthenosphere has cooled enough to disallow movement.

It's worth noting this is already seen on Mars, as she is a far older planet than Earth, and has cooled to a degree that plate tectonics has all but ceased. I believe that explains the size of Olympus Mons as well; if I remember correctly, it is theorised that the mountain is situated over a hot-spot [much like Hawaii], and with the plates not drifting at all, the volcano formed has just grown and grown to the size it is now.


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Re: More proof of evolution
Yup, there are massive Coral Reefs in Tahiti that stretch far too low below the Waterline for Coral to survive there. Science was at a loss to explain this until they realised the the Huge rings of coral had once been around an Island, but the Seabed was sinking by a tiny amount each year. The Coral, in reaction to this, built the reef higher in order to get more sunlight. The sea floor is dropping at a measurable rate, and if the rate of drop is consistent, then the coral reefs are most certainly older than the ID version of planet Earth, however, if the seabed dropped much faster, the Coral would not be able to keep pace and the reefs would never have formed as they are today.

 

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Re: More proof of evolution
but but but but but... IRC! answers in genesis foo! carbon dating isn't accurate back to the supposed age of the earth! giggity giggity goo!


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some times dude.. people are beyond all hope of using their own brain
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The strange thing is, we 'did' carbon dating something like twice in the older depths of the thread, and I'm pretty sure it shown up - in a serious context - for a third time.

 

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hehe... considering i didn't read most of this thread....
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It's worth noting this is already seen on Mars, as she is a far older planet than Earth, and has cooled to a degree that plate tectonics has all but ceased. I believe that explains the size of Olympus Mons as well; if I remember correctly, it is theorised that the mountain is situated over a hot-spot [much like Hawaii], and with the plates not drifting at all, the volcano formed has just grown and grown to the size it is now.

You're correct in saying that Mars doesn't have moving plates (hence the much larger volcanoes), but I'm pretty certain that it isn't really that much older than the Earth.  The inner planets condensed out of the solar nebula at more or less the same time.

See the following links for some good reading:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formation_of_the_solar_system
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars
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Re: More proof of evolution
i think that what keeps the inside of earth heated up and moving much more than mars is our moon.  one thing earth has that mars lacks is tidal forces, from a larger orbiting body.  in the old days (billions of years ago) the moon was alot closer, and even changed the shape of the planet as it went around the earth, this compressed and stretched the inside of the earth, with the effects of heating and moving the insides.   mars has 2 dinky little pieces of rock that orbit it, no comparison to earth's moon.

i submit that this is based solely on things i saw on the discovery and national geographic channels, in conjunction with Physics 201, 208, and 205 at NCSU, and that i may be completely wrong.


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Re: More proof of evolution
Mars is significantly smaller. Not as much insulation.
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also further away from the sun - not as much solar energy, also thinner atmosphere
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Re: More proof of evolution
In fact, larger planets cool down faster than smaller ones, IIRC, because although if the radius is increased (making it take longer for heat to reach the surface), the surface area is also increased by 4(pi)r2.
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theories also are that the earth has a fair number of radioactive isotopes in the core that are generating head
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