[ilya]

It would make sense IMO to have the Ori and Ancients on similar technological levels.

You're forgetting, the Ancients have been ascended for a very long time, so their technological level might not be as high as the Ori's, who have had many years to gain followers and advance technology.

[an0n]

And given that the Ori were probably responsible for the plague that wiped out the Ancients, it's reasonable to assume that the Ori are slightly more advanced than the Ancients.

[karajorma]

Then again the Ori might be about as skilled as the Asgard. They've had several million years and they're still playing catch up with the ancients after all

Seriously though the Ori tend to force the majority of their population into an agrarian lifestyle. Only the Priors have access to their knowledge and even then they seem to spend most of their time getting people to bow and scrape properly. It's possible that the Priors haven't come up with anything the Ori didn't have when they ascended.

And given that the Ori were probably responsible for the plague that wiped out the Ancients, it's reasonable to assume that the Ori are slightly more advanced than the Ancients.

Not really. They could simply be better at bioweapons while the Ancients are better at hyperspace travel. Notice that the Ori needed hypergates to get to our galaxy while the Ancients were able to pick up and move en masse to pegasus.

[an0n]

The advantage the Ori have over the Ancients is that they pass on knowledge from an Ascended state.

The most probable course of events would be that the Ancients were on equal footing when the Ori drove them from their home galaxy, then the Ancients started ascending but separated themselves from the unascended Ancients, then the Ori ascended - but the Ancients kept them in check.

The ascended Ori then passed on knowledge beyond that of the corporeal Ancients to their coporeal bretheren to allow them to unleash the unstoppable plague which eventually wiped out the Ancients and prevent the Ascended Ancients from reaching unmanagable numbers.

So while all Ancient technology is at the level of the just-prior-to-ascension Ancients, Ori technology comes from a few steps beyond that.

[an0n]

Not really. They could simply be better at bioweapons while the Ancients are better at hyperspace travel. Notice that the Ori needed hypergates to get to our galaxy while the Ancients were able to pick up and move en masse to pegasus.

It's been implied that Pegasus is infinitely closer than the Ori galaxy and that it took the Alterans a ****ing eternity to reach the Milky Way.

[aldo_14]

You're forgetting, the Ancients have been ascended for a very long time, so their technological level might not be as high as the Ori's, who have had many years to gain followers and advance technology.

Who says the Ori haven't been ascended for ages?  Or that ascension precludes advancement as of itself.  Plus the Ori wouldn't want to advance their followers technologically, lest they become a threat.

What occurs to me is why the Asgard, despite being a 'great race' seem to be far below the Ancients in this respect, in spite of several thousand years to advance and the pressure of the war with the Replicators.  Wonder if the Furlings or Nox might pop up to annihilate the Ori.....

[ZylonBane]

You're forgetting, the Ancients have been ascended for a very long time, so their technological level might not be as high as the Ori's, who have had many years to gain followers and advance technology.

Also, the invading ships are frickin' made out of wood. Lacking the ability to act directly in our universe, it's safe to say we're only seeing a fraction of the Ori's technological knowledge. They're forced to work with what they've got.

[aldo_14]

You're forgetting, the Ancients have been ascended for a very long time, so their technological level might not be as high as the Ori's, who have had many years to gain followers and advance technology.

Also, the invading ships are frickin' made out of wood. Lacking the ability to act directly in our universe, it's safe to say we're only seeing a fraction of the Ori's technological knowledge. They're forced to work with what they've got.

Made of wood?  Are you sure?

[an0n]

The Nox wouldn't even if they could.

The Furlings.... I get the impression they did what the Alterans did and simply left for parts unknown.

There are some nifty technologies to consider though. Such as the Sentinel, the Furling's better-than-Ancient transporter technology, the Libraries....

[an0n]

The wood was just the scaffolding.

Though I suppose it's possible the Prior used some form of transmutation to turn the carbon in the wood into something akin to the armour of the O'Neill class ships.

[Black Wolf]

Being a great race probably was less reliant on technological development and more on cultural development. Chances are there weren't any threats that would have neccessitated a military alliance and the sharing of military technology (until the Ori came along anyway, since the Ori were too far away (and, more relevantly, not even vaguely considered when the Torment of Tantalus was written) and either the Ancients or the Asgard could have defeated the Goauld but for the replicators/being ascended), and it doesn't exactly seem in the asgard character to go around asking for technology at random. As for the Nox and furlings, I doubt the nox have any kind of useable military force, again, due to racial character, and if the writers decide to pull the furlings out of their rear ends to save the galaxy's arse, it'll be among the worst deus ex machina's in Sci Fi history, and will seriously damage my rezspect for Stargate (the appearance o0f the Ori already sort of has, to be honest).

As for Morena Baccarin, could be bad, but it probably wont be. She's juilliard trained, and reckon she could pull off the kind of semi ridiculous overacting an Ori oracle would need to do.

[Mefustae]

As for Morena Baccarin, could be bad, but it probably wont be. She's juilliard trained, and reckon she could pull off the kind of semi ridiculous overacting an Ori oracle would need to do.

As long as they put in a gratuitous sponge-bath and/or lesbian scene for old times' sake, she could act Shatner-style for all I care. 

[ilya]

A female Shatner??? 

[Mars]

Which reminds me, where are the Ancient factories at? You know, the ones where they make drones and ZPMs, as well as Aurora class battleships.

[ilya]

Which reminds me, where are the Ancient factories at? You know, the ones where they make drones and ZPMs, as well as Aurora class battleships.

Destroyed?

It would seems that Atlantis would hold that information though...

[Akalamanaia]

There were factories, but people like Michell stumbled upon them and pressed a button, wich happened to be self-destruct..
There, case settled, can me move on to a subject wich does not ask the never-ending question "wheres teh zpm & drone factories !!1111oneoneleleven!?!"

Simply, those things don't exist, they would make the series way too easy for SG1, or they would have to be destroyed in a way most unbelievable to balance the tables after SG1 uses them for a miracle. Wich makes it pointless to add them in the first place.

[an0n]

The simple explanation is that the factories have simply rotted away, leaving only the Ancient technologies that were designed for extremely long-term use, or were designed for a military purpose and thus composed of their sturdiest materials.

While things remain in Atlantis, that's only because the Lanteans were a much more recent people. On the order of tens of thousands of years - whereas Ancient civilization died some millions of years ago.

[ZylonBane]

The wood was just the scaffolding.

Look at the inside of the ship when it zooms in on whats-her-name at the end. The interior looks like a well-appointed galleon. And the society that built it didn't exactly appear to have a strong industrial base.

I'd reckon the Ori ships pretty much run on magic.

[aldo_14]

The wood was just the scaffolding.

Look at the inside of the ship when it zooms in on whats-her-name at the end. The interior looks like a well-appointed galleon. And the society that built it didn't exactly appear to have a strong industrial base.

I'd reckon the Ori ships pretty much run on magic.

Was there a forcefield type effect when it was hit at the end of the last ep?  I can't remember.

Albeit, the interior isn't all that much of an indicator of how it's built; the Goa'uld ships looked like pyramids inside for the most part, replete with burning torches.  They might just do it that way so the crusaders (for lack of a better term) feel at home; although that raises a question as to how they operate the ship, wood or not, being an apparently medieval-level society.  To me, simple convention would indicate it is metallic/composite of some sort, because actual wooden ships would require a fair amount of suspension of disbelief to the viewer.  Plus I think a wooden ship of that size would require a fair bit of knowledge of metallurgy anyways, simply to brace it (same as old galleons did), and if so why not just make the whole thing metal.  Also wooden ships wouldn't 'splode so prettily, and you know eventually one of them will have to go down.

We'll see later, anyways.

[an0n]

Could just be that the Ori planted trees that had some freaky properties, so they'd never have to teach their followers about metallurgy and the like.