[Grug]

Surprise?

[IceFire]

Man...

The Geneva Convention is one of those things that we as "the good guys" are supposed to be able to leverage against the bad guys.  As in ...we actually have a respectable code to go by and they do not.

[Mefustae]

I'm rather shocked that anyone is surprised by this. It's common knowledge the US has effectively pissed on Geneva for years, and yet we're still surprised when they pretty much admit it?

Becoming ones enemy to defeat ones enemy is one thing, but becoming worse than ones enemy is completely another.

[IceFire]

I'm rather shocked that anyone is surprised by this. It's common knowledge the US has effectively pissed on Geneva for years, and yet we're still surprised when they pretty much admit it?

Becoming ones enemy to defeat ones enemy is one thing, but becoming worse than ones enemy is completely another.

I don't even think we need to become ones enemy to defeat them...we need to be better than our enemies to defeat them.  We need to be heads and shoulders above them.  We need to have honour, respect, understanding, and the application of overwhelming force when absolutely necessary.  We need to stop pissing into the wind and show some real courage.

[Mars]

With a Bush between our legs? 

 Not a chance!

[achtung]

I'm rather shocked that anyone is surprised by this. It's common knowledge the US has effectively pissed on Geneva for years, and yet we're still surprised when they pretty much admit it?

Becoming ones enemy to defeat ones enemy is one thing, but becoming worse than ones enemy is completely another.

I don't even think we need to become ones enemy to defeat them...we need to be better than our enemies to defeat them.  We need to be heads and shoulders above them.  We need to have honour, respect, understanding, and the application of overwhelming force when absolutely necessary.  We need to stop pissing into the wind and show some real courage.

The only problem being convincing the public of this.

[Grug]

Who said we have any enemies anyway?
It would be reasonable to say we wouldn't have any if the west didn't keep meddling in the affairs of suppossed irrelevant countries around the world for our own personal ****s and giggles.

I'm rather shocked that anyone is surprised by this. It's common knowledge the US has effectively pissed on Geneva for years, and yet we're still surprised when they pretty much admit it?

Becoming ones enemy to defeat ones enemy is one thing, but becoming worse than ones enemy is completely another.

Exactly.

[AlphaOne]

Umm how did that Bush character end up in office anyway. I mean come on fighting a war like the One in Afganistan is one thing but gooing and pulling ***t like this over and over again(i mean like the Irak war) it just gets too old. Isnt the american public sick of all these wars their administration puts them through? Oh and on top of all that they didnt even had weapons of mass destruction in Irak. Go figure.

I mean what is  the american G.I. 's life is worth less then mi car if the US Army is willing to throw away theyr lifes for these kinds of reasons???

But getting back to the topic at hand shouldnt there be some law or something like that i mean an international law that forbids gouverments to do these kinds of things i mean under no circustances can they be alowed to do this.

Also if the US gouverment can take a dump on international treaties like these then what exactly is the diference between the US and countries like North Corea? Oh and dont tell me its the freadom of speach or the right to privacy??

[Mefustae]

Am I the only one who believes that - should the US actually formally pull-out of the Geneva treaty - nobody will do s*** about it? I mean, how is this different than when they decided to tear up the Anti-Ballistic Missile treaty?

[Flipside]

I don't think that anything will be done. The only thing that kept the convention in place was a common goodwill and an interest in doing the right thing, and holding onto our humanity, no matter how hurt or angry we were, it was an ideal that didn't always work, but it was important that the ideal was there.

By stepping away from it, it signals, to me, a step away from the ideals of Freedom from persecution and the right of trial by jury. Now it will be Trial by ordeal. Something 'Western Society' has not tried to justify since the Witch-hunts.

[AlphaOne]

Ammmmm the US broke off of the Anti-Balistic missile threaty?? Now I know why France,Germany and other Eu members dont get along to well with the US. but if the US broke off then what justification could they have for attacking Iran?

This one  mean it Bush and his whole administration deserve to be taken up to the battlefields and get a few bullets through they brains or rather even better taken up to Irak and left on guard duty at some hospital and blown away by suicide bommbers. Then maibe then theyl start to actualy think about some of the things they do.

Again this is the US the country with one of the moste democratic sistems on the Earth where the people actuly have power over its leaders how come noone objects to this?

Do the American people actualy love the sword of nuclear war over theyr heads? Was the Cold war such an enjoyable thing? I can no say this since well I'm not that old. It's just a question.

Also sooner or later the might of the US Army wil get a bloody nose from picking on these weaker countries. I mean the fact that most of the european states didnt involve themselfs in the Irak war should of been a good example of some of the things that may come.

One day the US will run out of allies. At least any powerfull ones.

[Mefustae]

By stepping away from it, it signals, to me, a step away from the ideals of Freedom from persecution and the right of trial by jury. Now it will be Trial by ordeal. Something 'Western Society' has not tried to justify since the Witch-hunts.

Welcome to the 21st Century.

[Colonol Dekker]

Just wait til WW III kicks off, I cat wait 
One step closer to a unified government....obvioiusly the existing ones wont get on, so after a nucular winter, we (i mean the three armed no-nosed mutant survivors) can instill a new government after the gene pool recifies itself.

[AlphaOne]

ummm that a funny way of putting a serious issue. funny though in a....twisted sort of way....!

[Grug]

After the war in Afganistan was over the US turned around in the face of the Russian support they gave to the US during the war and slapped them with "no more missle treaty for you!".

World politics are going down the ****ter.

[AlphaOne]

You can say that again! Oh and you know who you have to thank for that!

[Grug]

The U.S. has contributed yes, but so has every other nation and country in the world. It's a team effort.

[Turambar]

is there any sort of 'good guy' anymore, on the national level?

a nation that actually has dignity and follows those international rules
and doesnt suck

[Shade]

Norway is probably the best bet.

[Janos]

the us has been using napalm for decades, dispite the fact that it is illegal under the geneva convention.
this is not news.

BULL. ****.

Your talking point is complete thrash and devoid of any actual merit, content or facts.

1. Weapons that US employ are not technically napalm anymore. It's more or less the same stuff but with less toxicity.
2. Napalm and other incendiary weapons are not banned
3. Well ok, they're kinda banned - several incendiary weapons are heavily regulated by 1980 Protocol III of the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons. To put it shortly, their use against civilian targets is forbidden and military targets in vicinity of civilian targets should not be targeted with said weapons. Arty WP shells and **** are fair game, though.
4. US is not party to said treaty anyways
5. It's the above+Hague conventions that deal with weapons. Geneva convention deals with people.

There.