[Setekh]

 

Originally posted by Carl:
30% of all people think the sun orbits the earth.

Yeh, but statistics can be made up to fool anyone on the spot. [homer] 42% of all people know that. [/homer]  

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Originally posted by Carl:
30% of all people think the sun orbits the earth.

Probably because that's ignorant bushmen in Africa...    If you said 30% of the Western World's populace thought that, I'd be scared. (and wondering WTF is going on)

[WarpStar]

 

Originally posted by CODEDOG ND:
Nuclear reactors in space would have to be legalized first.  Second, space craft are too big to have in your garage.  Third, like Dark said, can the ships be launched into space?  Or have to be built there?

The great thing about space, is that nothing is "illegal".  Up there is a lot different than down here.  It's a big *** place.  You could do something up there that you wouldn't even think of doing down here and get away with it.



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[WarpStar]

 

Originally posted by Carl:
30% of all people think the sun orbits the earth.

Oh damn, I didn't know that, I guess I"m stupid  

Seriously, Other inventions would probably follow suit, like hot fusion reactors and grav generators.  Life support, and agridomes, etc.



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[CODEDOG ND]

 

Originally posted by WarpStar:
The great thing about space, is that nothing is "illegal".  Up there is a lot different than down here.  It's a big *** place.  You could do something up there that you wouldn't even think of doing down here and get away with it.

Except when they send an ICBM after your *** .  

[WarpStar]

I wonder if they've built and ICBM yet that has the ability to fly to the moon, I doubt it, at least not guidance wise.  If they did, I guess they'd be called IPBM's  

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[an0n]

 

You could do something up there that you wouldn't even think of doing down here and get away with it.

Technically, you can do what you like down here as well. Its just that when you do stuff down here you're forced to do "acceptable" things by the rest of the populous.

If everyone just did what they thought was best for themselves and didn't interfere with everyone else, things would progress a lot faster. After all, selfishness is the single greatest driving force behind just about everything.

[Mad Bomber]

 

Originally posted by WarpStar:
Other inventions would probably follow suit, like hot fusion reactors...

I had heard that we already HAVE a fusion reactor, in some university lab somewhere, powered by lasers. But, it only produces something like $90 worth of energy for every $100 put into it. Plus it stopped working after about 2 seconds, since the lasers melted.  

[wEvil]

Its a little daft banning nuclear reactors in space - The amount of radiation up there already is very high. So high, in fact, that a Nuclear reactor wouldnt make any difference.

Oh..and come to that, did you know if we dont crack fusion/solar power in the next 30 years we'll all be running of nuclear power plants?

Just shows how most of these so-called environmentalists are just thugs with nothing else to complain about.  

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Originally posted by wEvil:
Its a little daft banning nuclear reactors in space - The amount of radiation up there already is very high. So high, in fact, that a Nuclear reactor wouldnt make any difference.

Oh..and come to that, did you know if we dont crack fusion/solar power in the next 30 years we'll all be running of nuclear power plants?

Just shows how most of these so-called environmentalists are just thugs with nothing else to complain about.  

One thing - Imagine the effect of a nuclear reactor melting down in low earth orbit.... depending on the debris that survives re-entry, there could be massive contamination.... there are still warnings about eating sheep from certains parts of aberdeen as a result of the Chernobyl accident.

Also, it's to do with the banning of space-based nuclear weapons.

[wEvil]

i was talking about interlpanetary vehicles, not earth orbit vehicles.

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Originally posted by an0n:
///Or send out a billion FTL greeting probes across the galaxy and see who's out there.

  The proof that there is intelligent life Out There™ is in the fact that they have not made contact with Earth.    


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[This message has been edited by sandwich (edited 11-17-2001).]

[The Avenger]

man u lot dont know much, nukes are already in space, what do u think powers the Voyager space probes?? yep u guess it nukes, they have about 50 years to go before they run out hehehe. And also i can almost guarentee they use a nuke for powering the ISS and possibly have tactical nukes up there in some god dam satallite ready to bomb afganistan or some other country thus saving flying it from the USA over all the western countries.

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[CODEDOG ND]

ICMB can reach out over 10,000 miles, it can't make it to the moon but they sure can hit ur ***  waaay up there, ISS is only a few hundred miles up.  

There is a reason why they are banned in space.  A Russian satillite had a nuclear reactor on it and something went wrong and it was destroyed sending plutonium into the atmosphere.  They've say that they can detect plutonium in everybody, but in small amounts.  I wonder why so many people have get cancer now.

Fusion reactors are held together with powerful magnets, but for some reason the plasma always leaks out.  Hence, why they are using them to develop rockets.  I don't argue with me on this, because I had to do a 5 typed page report on fusion reactors and plasma rockets.

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[Darkage]

 

Originally posted by sandwich:
    The proof that there is intelligent life Out There™ is in the fact that they have not made contact with Earth.      

They would get blown away

*bzzzbzzzt..ship lands*
*door opens aliens step out*
*Farm sees big light gets gun go's out side*
*see weirdo's*
Farmer: Are you some kinda super bugs that want to eat my crops?
alien: We come in piece
Farmer: WTF!?!? Screw you BOOM BOOM BOOM!!
Farmer to wife: Were the hell is my dinner!!
 


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[wEvil]

A plasma rocket wouldn't work.

sure the thrust would be huge, but since it breaks ALL matter down into its' constituent elements there wouldn't be much left of the launchpad, would there?

Fusion generators dont work because the magnetic field is;

A) Too Low powered

B) Cannot contain the plasma if it 'punctures' a certain point..I.E, if there is a pressure inconsistency the plasma will fly out of the field and rupture any matter-based containment device until it cools down.

The way to get around B is having the plasma circle around in a torus shape (this is what a tokamak is, kids) - this gets rid of SOME of the pressure differences.

To get around A though you need to have a large energy input to actually have a powerful enough magnetic field to contain the plasma (which you have to get from heating hydrogen gas to >14million degrees kelvin)

Basically until someone comes up with superstrong magnets and something on the level of a miniaturised nuke to get the gas to fuse, fusion will be relegated to small scale laboratory testing  


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Originally posted by wEvil:
A plasma rocket wouldn't work.

sure the thrust would be huge, but since it breaks ALL matter down into its' constituent elements there wouldn't be much left of the launchpad, would there?

In a plasma rocket the magnets can contain the plasma on everyside except the rear which propels you along.  testing of the rocket on a probe is supposed to be completed by 2006.  Anybody heard of DS1?  It uses Ions and runs at about the same speed as a plasma rocket but with the ions you can't throttle it like you can plasma and chemical rockets.  To keep the launch pad from burning up is to use chemical boosters like todays shuttle.  Then once at a safe distance then you can fire them.  They've already built the rocket, they just need to go through all the safety procautions as usual which take forever.

also here is one of my references i used for the paper, i cant find the bookmarks for the others.
 http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/plasma_propulsion_000616.html


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[CODEDOG ND]

here was the other one most of its the same stuff but goes a little more into detail
 http://www.media.mit.edu/~rahulb/theArts/text/papers/VASIMR.pdf

[WarpStar]

Even if fusion wouldn't be possible on a large scale, it doesn't take that much plasma to create a self-sustaining reaction.  Also, some of the power could be redirected to the magnetic fields.

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[Sandwich]

 

Originally posted by darkage:
They would get blown away  

*bzzzbzzzt..ship lands*
*door opens aliens step out*
*Farm sees big light gets gun go's out side*
*see weirdo's*
Farmer: Are you some kinda super bugs that want to eat my crops?
alien: We come in piece
Farmer: WTF!?!? Screw you BOOM BOOM BOOM!!
Farmer to wife: Were the hell is my dinner!!
   

Just like the opening scene of Star Trek Enterprise, fisrt episode.  


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