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Offline Rictor

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redmenace: I never said Chavez is perfect, but very few countries have a flawlessly free press. If any sort of widespread crackdown was planned, or was happening, or had happened, it would be more than a single marginal newspaper or libel lawsuits (which exist and are frequently abused throughout the world) against a few journalists.

As for Chavez being paranoid, consider that America has a long history of either invading Latin American countries with "undesireable" governments, or sponsoring coups. If there's a serial killer going around your neighborhood taking out people with blonde hair, and you have blonde hair, it's perfectly reasonable to feel suspicious. Aside from the 2002 coup, I think that if Uncle Sam was not so busy in Iraq, Afghanistan and Central Asia, something would already have been done to "take care" of Chavez. That is fo course conjecture, but I think that anyone inhis position, knowing what he knows and seeing the simple patterns in history, would be justified in feeling very worried.

Anyway, compare the US media, which is usually very compliant to the government's demands, to the point of being somewhat a subordinate, and Venezuela's media, and then ask yourself if Chavez had as his goal the silencing of opposing views wouldn't something have been done about the vast number of opposition media outlets? From what I know, and I've sort of been following goings-on in Venezeula for a few years, I don't think the media climate is any worse than in most of the world, certainly far from being a totalitarian dictatorship. For example, Berlusconi owned Italy's most powerful media conglomerate while serving as Prime Minister. If that sort of thing happened in Venezuela, people would be screaming "Stalin" within about two seconds.

I also question the impartiality of the Inter-American Press Association. Unfortunately, and quite strangely, they don't have a Wikipedia entry. I'm not going to condemn anyone based on lack of information, but I know that there is a certain portion of NGOs who have often served, to one degree or another, to broadcast and add legitimacy to the views of the US administration. For example Transparency International and Freedom House, both large and respected rights organizations, have at times slanted their reports to favour the current position of the US government, though certainly Freedom House has been the worse offender. Not all that glitters is gold.

 

Offline Kosh

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Anyway, compare the US media, which is usually very compliant to the government's demands, to the point of being somewhat a subordinate,

It is truely sad what the US media has become.

People like Redmenace forget why these populist leftists are in power in the first place: People in Latin America are sick of unfair trading policies, they are sick of the US ****ing them over at every opportunity, they are also sick of the US dictating to them how to run their economies (which has created a huge wealth gap and a huge number of poor people, thank you neo-liberalism). The people wanted change.
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Offline IceFire

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Anyway, compare the US media, which is usually very compliant to the government's demands, to the point of being somewhat a subordinate,

It is truely sad what the US media has become.

People like Redmenace forget why these populist leftists are in power in the first place: People in Latin America are sick of unfair trading policies, they are sick of the US ****ing them over at every opportunity, they are also sick of the US dictating to them how to run their economies (which has created a huge wealth gap and a huge number of poor people, thank you neo-liberalism). The people wanted change.
This is why there is now some academics starting to weakly squeak out the notion that globalization may actually be dead or dying.  We've tried the global trade thing, screwed some smaller nations over, gained quite a few advantages wherever possible and now that everyone is ticked off at the people who win so much with a globalized economy (internally and externally within and without of a country) there is a move to insulate the economies again.  Heck even the US is starting to insulate again...China is beating them in trade big time and they won't even respect the NAFTA ruling on Softwood lumber.
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Offline Kosh

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The problem is that "free trade" ends up getting hijacked by American corperate interests. The US forces other countries to open their markets, while at the same time using dollar hegemony to keep those countries from actually making any kind of development. China is one of the few countries that has been able to beat them at their own game, and so of course the US cries foul.

And then there is also the economic terrorism that the IMF (which is controlled by the US) commits.......


I also have a question for you guys. Why is it that in less than one year in China I have seen several Fiat cars, yet in 20 years in the US I have never seen one before?
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Offline Turambar

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I also have a question for you guys. Why is it that in less than one year in China I have seen several Fiat cars, yet in 20 years in the US I have never seen one before?

that one might just be probability.  we've got about the same amount of space, and they have more than 3x the people
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Offline Wobble73

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I've seen Fiats in the US! Well at least in films and television! But usually as the butt of some joke or another! Especially those tiny ones!
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Offline Mefustae

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That's because Americans only drive biiiiiig cars to compliment their biiiiiig egos. :nervous:

 

Offline Wobble73

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That's because Americans only drive biiiiiig cars to compliment their biiiiiig egos. :nervous:

Speaking of which, George Clooney was over here a few days ago (and may still be here for all I know?) for the start of The Open in Hoylake, Wirral. A taxi driver told me the other day that he took him from a restaurant to a local hotel (he didn'y say which so don't bother asking). For a £5 journey George payed the driver £30 (Very generous) and as he was walking away he said "You guys need to get yourselves bigger cars!". The driver told us he needs to get a smaller head then! Ha Ha!
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Offline redmenace

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That's because Americans only drive biiiiiig cars to compliment their biiiiiig egos. :nervous:
I drive a toyota camry. Before that a Nova, and before that a dodge Omni. All VERY small cars. Fuel efficient to. My next car will be a Honda Civic.
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Offline aldo_14

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That's because Americans only drive biiiiiig cars to compliment their biiiiiig egos. :nervous:
I drive a toyota camry. Before that a Nova, and before that a dodge Omni. All VERY small cars. Fuel efficient to. My next car will be a Honda Civic.

By British / european standards, those are all large - ish - cars.

A small car would be something like my Clio; i.e. a 2 door hatchback.  Certainly, those ones you've listed are not VERY small cars; a very small car would be something like the hideously ugly Smart Car

 

Offline redmenace

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By american standards they are small. It also depends where you live. That little hoopdie car there wouldn't be a good choice for the autobahn in germany.

However, I would buy a hybrid, but I am waiting for the plug-in hybrids to start to show up.
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Offline aldo_14

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By american standards they are small. It also depends where you live. That little hoopdie car there wouldn't be a good choice for the autobahn in germany.

However, I would buy a hybrid, but I am waiting for the plug-in hybrids to start to show up.

Well, it's the 'by American standards' Mestufae was referring to :)  (somewhat tongue-in-cheek, I suspect)

Albeit that particular cars' (made by DaimlerChrysler ) best market is, apparently, Germany.  I have to admit not being sure why geographical distances would work against a small car, as they tend to be more fuel efficient and it's scarcely Road Warrior out there.  Mine certainly does fine when it's on the odd motorway excursion :D

 

Offline Mefustae

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Well, it's the 'by American standards' Mestufae was referring to...
Now come on, i've never referred to you as 'Adlo', so i'd expect the same bloody courtesy! :p

 

Offline Rictor

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A small car would be something like my Clio; i.e. a 2 door hatchback.  Certainly, those ones you've listed are not VERY small cars; a very small car would be something like the hideously ugly Smart Car

That's what we have in Canada as well. But in certain European countries they have other, more normal models of the Smart Car, and they are freaking sexy.


 

Offline aldo_14

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Well, it's the 'by American standards' Mestufae was referring to...
Now come on, i've never referred to you as 'Adlo', so i'd expect the same bloody courtesy! :p

My name only has 4 letters!  I think only getting 2 letters switched up was jolly good!

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