[Xelion]

See the FAQ, ATI's name will change to AMD.

I already knew that , but Nuke pointed out what I didn't want to know

[CP5670]

I doubt this will have much effect on the GPU market for at least a year, but it's hard to see how the RD600 chipset is going to go through now. Shame too, as I was planning on getting the DFI RD600 board when it came out.

[Apathy]

hm I forsee ATi and AMD being built to run faster with eachother, and some sort of Intel/nVidia alliance.  

[Nuke]

hm I forsee ATi and AMD being built to run faster with eachother, and some sort of Intel/nVidia alliance.  

id rather nividia stay in the game by itself. that way their priority to make good gpus remains. i have a feeling ati is gonna focus on chipsets and integrated video rather than video cards. essentially it will mean amd will have its own line of graphics processors like intel, except because its based off of ati hardware, it could be better than those ****ty extreme graphics integrated video thingies.

[Apathy]

heh Intel Extreme is the worse graphics chip I know, even more than Geforce 2 if I remember right.

[Ghostavo]

heh Intel Extreme is the worse graphics chip I know, even more than Geforce 2 if I remember right.

How shall I say this... it's an integrated graphic card. It's dirt cheap and not meant for heavy graphic applications.

[Mars]

My little bros computer is running an ATI Rage Pro AGP 2X graphics card now, Intel Extreme is not horrible compared to that.

[neoterran]

Here's a chart :

Geforce 7950 SLI / 7950 QUAD-SLI (Total Ownage...for now)
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Geforce 7800 GT / Radeon x1800XTXwhatever (Ownage)
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Geforce 6800 / Radeon x800 (Standard Solid Gaming)
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Geforce 4 Ti (Sucks but... respect)
Geforce FX (Sucks)
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Geforce 3 (Sucks, Classic !)
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Geforce 2 GTS (Really Really Sucks, Uber Classic !)
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Geforce MX 2/4 (Really Really Really Sucks, Not a Classic)
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TNT2/Rage Pro(Really Really Really Sucks, Not a Classic, Not Even Playable)
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Intel Extreme Graphics(Really Really Really Sucks, Not a Classic, Not Even Playable, Do not Pass Go, Do Not Collect $200)

[CP5670]

Geforce 7950 SLI / 7950 QUAD-SLI (Total Ownage...for now)

Yeah, total ownage with screen tearing and stuttering.

(sorry, had to say that after getting suckered into SLI and finding out about all its problems )

[Nuke]

i think that windows vista is the main reason behind the amd-ati merger. intel's graphics solution will not only be obsolete (it is already) but it be totally worthless when vista comes out unless they really supercharge that bastard. if what everyone says about vista is true even for office applications will require some acceleration. so in that market intel's solution is as good as dirt. as for the graphics card market its hard to say. they might not put suffietient r&d into their graphics card line to keep up with nvidia.

[Descenterace]

There's an Intel integrated card out there (I think it's the Extreme 955, or something) that actually beats the crap out of a Radeon 9700.


I doubt nVidia and Intel will merge, but they might work a little closer. nVidia's market includes stuff like military HUD hardware and the like, so they're not likely to be unduly worried about AMD and ATI merging to better control the PC gaming market.

[Fury]

I just noticed that FiringSquad has tossed together a six-page long speculation article about the merger.

[Scooby_Doo]

Here's a chart :
Geforce 2 GTS (Really Really Sucks, Uber Classic !)

Guess this one is mine LOL

[Xelion]

Sooner or later they'll have to move away from integrated chipsets. They just don't provide as much power as add-on graphics cards, and with innovative ideas like AGEIA’s PhysiX becoming available theres no doubt they won't be able to squeeze everything onto a motherboard.

[Colonol Dekker]

Here's a chart :

ETC>

Wheres my Voodoo 2 ?













[j/k  srsly]

[Ghostavo]

Sooner or later they'll have to move away from integrated chipsets. They just don't provide as much power as add-on graphics cards, and with innovative ideas like AGEIA’s PhysiX becoming available theres no doubt they won't be able to squeeze everything onto a motherboard.

You fail to see the reason integrated cards exist. They don't exist to compete with the existing cards but to ensure that the target computer can get suficient graphic "acceleration" (read, not heavy graphics aplications).

Oh, AGEIA's sucks. It will actually slow down your pc if you use one of those cards.

[Apathy]

Sooner or later they'll have to move away from integrated chipsets. They just don't provide as much power as add-on graphics cards, and with innovative ideas like AGEIA’s PhysiX becoming available theres no doubt they won't be able to squeeze everything onto a motherboard.

You fail to see the reason integrated cards exist. They don't exist to compete with the existing cards but to ensure that the target computer can get suficient graphic "acceleration" (read, not heavy graphics aplications).

Oh, AGEIA's sucks. It will actually slow down your pc if you use one of those cards.

yeah its true, the physX card is designed to do maths... and guess what the CPU is designed to do with direct feed to the RAM?!? Even that PhysX requring game (CellFactor I think) runs without it if you just add something to the shortcut path. Waste of silicon.

Oh yeah and integrated cards are for running windows, not Far Cry. I can only seeing them getting a little better when vista comes out because it requires a fairly good card.

[Xelion]

Ghostavo
You fail to see the reason integrated cards exist. They don't exist to compete with the existing cards but to ensure that the target computer can get suficient graphic "acceleration" (read, not heavy graphics aplications).

Apathy
Oh yeah and integrated cards are for running windows, not Far Cry. I can only seeing them getting a little better when vista comes out because it requires a fairly good card.

Actually I understand completely, but with the next Windows OS becoming available soon and applications demanding more grunt, an integrated chipset just doesn't have the power to run this next-gen software and hence why integrated cards will become a thing of the past.

Oh, AGEIA's sucks. It will actually slow down your pc if you use one of those cards.

It might, but I didn't say the card was any good, I simply said the idea was. I do believe that certain processes should be handle independently of the CPU and GPU, they're designed to handle many different calculations and having a dedicated chip to processing specific calculations should provide better results overall.

yeah its true, the physX card is designed to do maths... and guess what the CPU is designed to do with direct feed to the RAM?!? Even that PhysX requring game (CellFactor I think) runs without it if you just add something to the shortcut path. Waste of silicon.

From what I have read the PPU runs physics calculations much faster than any CPU.

[Descenterace]

But that's no use at all if data flows to and from it at a quarter of the speed.

[Fury]

hence why integrated cards will become a thing of the past

No they won't, what will happen is that integrated graphics chips will become better and small costs and passive cooling is achieved from smaller die sizes. ATI and NVIDIA have already produced integrated graphics chips in the past and they will continue to do so in the future. More than likely Intel will also have two integrated graphics chip lines, one low-end and one high-end.

ATI's Xpress 1100 series integrated GPU's and NVIDIA's GeForce Go 6150 are more than capable of running Windows Vista in full hardware acceleration including any home/work applications. If you don't buy a computer for gaming, you don't need a dedicated graphics card. Thus wasting your money for anything else than an integrated graphics chip is pointless.

It's not the fault of hardware manufacturers and OEM's if customers don't know what they're buying and expect to play games with hardware not designed for the task. If anything, the responsibility of guiding a customer into buying a computer for his or her own needs is on resellers.