[Kazan]

Regaurdless, you cannot deny the fact that he tried to cover it all up by not contacting the people that would been able to save her.

Horse**** - he tried several times to save her himself, returned to where they started from and got help and went back to the crash site to try and retrieve her AGAIN

You have nothing but hogwash accusations

[redmenace]

Why did he try to do it himself? The firemen would have been able to do that.

[Kazan]

probably because that would take less time than waiting for the emergency crews to get there? 

just admit it dude - you have absolutely no evidence that it was anything other than a car accident - not to mention the fact you're missing motive.

[redmenace]

It is a small island. It wouldn't take that long. Not to mention he had the opportunity to make the call as well.

Never said there was a murder, but criminal negligence or man slaughter both of which really don't need a motive.

[Kazan]

It is a small island. It wouldn't take that long. Not to mention he had the opportunity to make the call as well.

Never said there was a murder, but criminal negligence or man slaughter both of which really don't need a motive.

how much clearer do i need to make this: you have no evidence to support you claims. None, zero zilch, nada nichts null, bupkis

you weren't there, the grand jury charged with investigating and potentially bringing charges against him didn't charge him with a damn thing

[redmenace]

His actions of record are enough.

You want to assume grandjurys never make mistakes, or cannot be swayed by outside factors.

[Kazan]

enough to fuel pathetic bull**** speculation? yes

enough to provide any scrap of evidence of wrong doing? not so much.  he tried to save her himself, went for help and returned, tried again and gave up knowing she was dead.  Called her family, called his lawyer, called the authorities, then pled guilty to leaving the site of an accident.


to me that sounds like: he got in an accident, he tried to save her, got help and tried again, realized that he'd failed she had been under too long, called her family to break the bad news and apologize, called his lawyer to hell him what was going on and that he was going to do (plead guilty to the charges that were to be pressed), and then went to the cops and told them what happened.


No conspiracy here - it was a car accident.

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You want to assume grandjurys never make mistakes, or cannot be swayed by outside factors.

grand juries are 24 people, it would take some major talent to stack a grand jury.

the simple fact of the matter is you have bull**** and you're just fueling this entire argument off blind hate

[redmenace]

A car accident that the rescue personal were not contacted and got his friend to help him. Why else would you go out of your away, farther than necessary to get help unless you wanted to try and keep in quiet. He tried to cover it up.

A simple accident would be if he went off the road, and then immediatly went to the near by residencies and asked to use a phone to call authorities and rescue personal. That would be simple and logical. But that is not what happened is it?

I never said he stacked the jury. I said that it is possible that they might have made decisions based on something other than evidence or lack there of.

[Kazan]

A car accident that the rescue personal were not contacted and got his friend to help him. Why else would you go out of your away, farther than necessary to get help unless you wanted to try and keep in quiet. He tried to cover it up.

full stop at "go out of your way" - BECAUSE HE DIDN'T!

A simple accident would be if he went off the road, and then immediatly went to the near by residencies and asked to use a phone to call authorities and rescue personal. That would be simple and logical. But that is not what happened is it?

because they probably didn't have one? IF there were residences AT ALL

I never said he stacked the jury. I said that it is possible that they might have made decisions based on something other than evidence or lack there of.

you said a bunch of bull**** that you have NO EVIDENCE to back up and you just keep pulling out more and more bull**** in your shrill attempt to try to criticize ted kennedy OVER A ****ING CAR ACCIDENT because you have nothing else to criticise him on because you don't know ****

[redmenace]

A car accident that the rescue personal were not contacted and got his friend to help him. Why else would you go out of your away, farther than necessary to get help unless you wanted to try and keep in quiet. He tried to cover it up.

full stop at "go out of your way" - BECAUSE HE DIDN'T!

A simple accident would be if he went off the road, and then immediatly went to the near by residencies and asked to use a phone to call authorities and rescue personal. That would be simple and logical. But that is not what happened is it?

obviously you know nothing about the history of the telephone system

Ok, enlighten me about the phone system. what would have prevented them from either A. calling the fire house B. getting more people like the fire chief what was 1/2 from the accident C. going to the fire house them selves. It is a very small island. D. going to the other local residence near by?

[Kazan]

i'm going to trust an image from that site? HAHAHAAH you must take me for an idiot


YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE OF ANY WRONG DOING

it was A ****ING CAR ACCIDENT - get over it seriously you're pathetic, you insult our intelligence by even spouting this bull****


the man got in a CAR accident... do you understand the concept of an accident?

[Ford Prefect]

You guys are losing sight of the real issue here, which is obviously that my state is better than everyone else's.

[redmenace]

@FP: 

@Kazan: And you quoting Ted Kennedy's public apology is better? Now that I am revved up about the issue, I might just contact the public library in the area and request town records showing where the fire house is and where the fire chief lived etc. Or are you going to call me a liar and the records fakes?

Do you always rely on insulting people?

[Kazan]

Do you always rely on insulting people?

only when they're nutjob conspiracy theorist crazies who don't have an argument that holds water in the first place

[redmenace]

In that case, why not save face and not bother at all? I think its deeper than that personally.

[Kazan]

because dishonest conspiracy theorists are a disservice to democracy and should be derided at every opportunity

[aldo_14]

It's interesting to see how a potential political discussion has now deteriorated into personality-based mudslinging.  Strikes me as very much a microcosm of 'democracy' in action.

[redmenace]

[redmenace]

But back to the original subject. I don't think the little children are going to link the hummer and the military. Now mount a 50cal machine gun or a tow missle on the top and give it a camo paint job. But that would be to obvious. I think it is more related to embedding into peoples minds that they want a big car because of the general attitudes turning against large automobiles.

[Kazan]

without looking back.. i'm pretty sure it was the military (original) edition hummer with a desert paint job..