[aldo_14]

Yes, I kinda forgot what my point was and went for cheap laughs.

Oh, right, depression isn't an illness. I remember now.

Just because something affects the hormonal balance in your brain doesn't mean it's an illness. There are all kinds of **** that affect your hormonal level. ****, by that rational you can call PMSing an illness....

Okay, bad example. But you get the idea.

It's an illness because it negatively affects the persons' brain chemistry over a prolonged period of time leading to mental and quite possibly physical injury (symptoms).  To use your rationale, there are no mental illnesses.

[an0n]

There aren't.

There are just people being pussies with weak minds.

[Herra Tohtori]

 

Clinical depression affects your brain in a way that makes them function abnormally. My earlier analogue to a brain tumor was not very much off. If some of my body parts is not working normally I would automatically consider it not normal, thus being an illness. How are brains different in this regard? If they're not functioning as they should, they are ill, it's not that difficult to understand.

Eating too much sugar affects brain in a way that healthy body can handle without hindering brain functions. Hyperactivity caused by sugar is not abnormal, and it is a self-induced situation where the brain have a lot of energi at their disposal but they start to get tired and need sleep, thus creating normally harmless situation called "sugar intoxication". The brain have the power, but they start to need rest, and especially children jsut don't understand always how tired they are, especially if the body is not tired. That can cause erratic behaviour, but that passes; itäs not an illness from same reasons being drunk is not an illness as such.


Diabetes is whole another case, in that the too high/low blood sugar can of course cause the brains to function abnormally or indeed to stop them altogether. But that's not the point here, is it? Your straw mans are getting more and more ridiculous. Try something better next time.


WTF, is this some kind of a chat room? seven new replies while I was writing this? Dear Spaghetti Monster give strength...

Anyway, you can also say that there are no bone fractures, there are just people who have too weak bones for their actions. People should be strongly enough built to tolerate being hit by cars. Also, there is no flu; jsut a bunch of people susceptible to a viral infection in respiratory organs.

Of course, that is the definition to flu.

Just like mental illnesses are defined to be severe enough disruptions from normal levels in cerebral activity. If you want to make new definitions, fine. But if you do, remember to mention it and define the terms you prefer to use.

[Mefustae]

I find it quite amusing you're actually trying to make an informed argument against him. With an0n for pity's sake!

[Colonol Dekker]

We're detracting from the point in question here, Obesity = fat people who dont get rid of the fat, Obesity is a title given to people over a certain bodyweight fat percentage, Now fat can be put on for countless reasons, such as idleness over-eating or hyper-thyroidism to name a few, But exercise and diet WILL cure them its a proven fact..

I've no sympathy for bone-idle wastes of humanity who allow themselvves to degenerate because they wont go past the first step......

[aldo_14]

We're detracting from the point in question here, Obesity = fat people who dont get rid of the fat, Obesity is a title given to people over a certain bodyweight fat percentage, Now fat can be put on for countless reasons, such as idleness over-eating or hyper-thyroidism to name a few, But exercise and diet WILL cure them its a proven fact..

I've no sympathy for bone-idle wastes of humanity who allow themselvves to degenerate because they wont go past the first step......

That's fair enough, but there are some people with medical conditions that, unfortunately, result in significant weight gain either due to the condition or due to medication and which also prevent that person from losing the weight.  It's worth remembering, doubly, that these people also have to live lives, so it may be extremely difficult to get enough excercise when a normal person can lose weight with far less activity.

None of this is an excuse, of course, for the people are fat bastards just because they're lazy; I've done the whole overweight thing, and there's no excuse for it when it's just down to bad diet and too little excercise.

[Colonol Dekker]

Everyone has the time to do half an hour three times a weel there is no such thing as too little, And theres no such thing as bad exercise. I understand what you're saying ( iwouldnt patronise by adding "trying to say") But as i said before, people who make no effort reap their own rewards..


*if you cant be bothered to run for the bus/train, dont moan if you miss it*

[aldo_14]

Everyone has the time to do half an hour three times a weel there is no such thing as too little, And theres no such thing as bad exercise. I understand what you're saying ( iwouldnt patronise by adding "trying to say") But as i said before, people who make no effort reap their own rewards..


*if you cant be bothered to run for the bus/train, dont moan if you miss it*

The point is that for some people, with medical conditions, half an hour 3 times a week isn't enough.  Hell, it's generally not enough for me, and I have a relatively healthy diet.

[Colonol Dekker]

OK, in any case, if people aren't prepared to do the minumum required then they shouldnt moan, Simple things like walking, It is avicous circle of self destruction, The longer people leave it the harder its gonna be.
And the more unfit someone is the easier it is to warm up as well, As the bodies under more exertion. So a ten minute forced wwalk is better than nothing.

[Kazan]

This post abused the HLPBB code of conduct and was cleaned. On top of that this post also contained excessive use of irony, not suitable for those with a weak heart.

[redsniper]

Argh! I missed it!

[aldo_14]

OK, in any case, if people aren't prepared to do the minumum required then they shouldnt moan, Simple things like walking, It is avicous circle of self destruction, The longer people leave it the harder its gonna be.
And the more unfit someone is the easier it is to warm up as well, As the bodies under more exertion. So a ten minute forced wwalk is better than nothing.

My whole point is that some people because of medical conditions (such as Crohns disease, or specifically steroid treatment) can't physically do the required amount to lose weight and still live; that the physical excercise required by you, I, or a fat person with no underlying medical cause to lose weight isn't nearly sufficient for that person.

[IceFire]

There aren't.

There are just people being pussies with weak minds.

Your obviously arguing devils advocate...

We all know you know better than that...

[Grug]

It's not just eating to much, its lack of exercise.

Sometimes a life style just doesn't give one enough exercise.

Me for example, I generally eat less than the average bear, take stairs at every oppurtunity, walk instead of catch a bus to places, take the dog for walks, and live on a mostly vegetarian diet. Yet I still manage to keep a bit of chubbyness about me. I think its some screwed up metabalism thing.

Hell I used to do martial arts for a while and while I did slim, was always difficult losing the general chubbyness about about me.
I'm no fat albert, I believe I'm within my body index due to my height and broadish shoulders, but for the life of me can't lose me pot belly!

[BS403]

We're detracting from the point in question here, Obesity = fat people who dont get rid of the fat, Obesity is a title given to people over a certain bodyweight fat percentage, Now fat can be put on for countless reasons, such as idleness over-eating or hyper-thyroidism to name a few, But exercise and diet WILL cure them its a proven fact..

I've no sympathy for bone-idle wastes of humanity who allow themselvves to degenerate because they wont go past the first step......

not true. my sister diets and exercises and she barely loses any weight

[vyper]

Define "diets and exercises"? Unless her regime was worked out by a professional she's likely to just be burning energy.

[an0n]

There aren't.

There are just people being pussies with weak minds.

Your obviously arguing devils advocate...

We all know you know better than that...

Funnily enough, I wasn't. I was just generalizing.

I accept that there are genuine neurological disorders that impair function. But anything caused as a result of emotional and/or psychological 'not rightness', I don't consider to be a proper illness.

If it's caused by something you did or can be fixed by something you can change, it's not an illness - it's being a pussy.

If it's something that absolutely cannot be fixed by anything other than surgery or heavy medication, I'll accept it's an illness in the classical sense. But not necessarily an illness generally. For example, I don't view mental retardation as an illness.

If it's down to your genetics and does nothing but impair function without altering perceptions, I consider it simple inferiority.

[IceFire]

There aren't.

There are just people being pussies with weak minds.

Your obviously arguing devils advocate...

We all know you know better than that...

Funnily enough, I wasn't. I was just generalizing.

I accept that there are genuine neurological disorders that impair function. But anything caused as a result of emotional and/or psychological 'not rightness', I don't consider to be a proper illness.

If it's caused by something you did or can be fixed by something you can change, it's not an illness - it's being a pussy.

If it's something that absolutely cannot be fixed by anything other than surgery or heavy medication, I'll accept it's an illness in the classical sense. But not necessarily an illness generally. For example, I don't view mental retardation as an illness.

If it's down to your genetics and does nothing but impair function without altering perceptions, I consider it simple inferiority.

Thats just the thing...clinical depression is not about anything that you do at all.  Its chemical...it affects what you do but its not like you sit down and say "ok, I'm now depressed".  I know two people who are actually full blown clincally depressed (that I know about - there are more that are taking drugs to keep it down and you never know or find out years later) and there's not a thing they can do about it.

I know that I have it in the family...I don't suffer from it but I do occasionally have my bouts with very mild depression.  Some people just call it depression and lump the whole thing together.  I think what you're actually railing on about is the normal kind of depressed thats generally caused by external pressures that I think most people experience.  I see a distinction between that sort of thing (I'd be mighty surprised if you weren't depressed at some point - if you haven't ever been...then just keep doing what your doing) and the folks who are chemically imbalanced.

Its a bit like alchohol abuse...there are people who go out and get drunk all the time (which is basically everyone who is 18-30) and then there are the alcholics who are compelled to drink.  So I would suggest not calling everyone a pussy because there are people who have a legitimate, real, and dangerous problem with clinical depression.  They get to see specialists and take drugs all their life and its definately not fair to attack them in the slightest.

[Mathwiz6]

Ok, if you can do something about it mentally, like... mental counselling, logic, etc, but you don't, you're a pussy,

But if something is literally screwed in your brain, then it's an illness?

Makes sense to me. Just need to define it right. On the other hand, sometimes I say I'm depressed when I'm not really. I'm jut cynical 

[Darius]

Saying clinical depression is a chemical imbalance is like saying anger is a chemical imbalance. What makes it clinical is if it impairs someone's functionality/ability to live a normal life. They need therapy because they can't snap out of the cycle of depression without external assistance.

Whether or not that makes them a 'pussy' is one's own opinion, but it doesn't rule out therapy as a viable treatment.

The severity of the depression dictates whether a patient needs drugs or not as a supplement, but it still isn't an illness in the pathological sense.