[aldo_14]

Succinct.

[Blue Lion]

You ever notice how one side of an argument, however justifiable, is ignored because the guy arguing it is going about it the wrong way? That just came to me for some reason.

[Kazan]

or because no matter what way it was presented ngtm1r wouldn't listen anyway

[Blue Lion]

And yelling and calling names won't help then, will it?

[Kazan]

it makes me feel better

[Blue Lion]

That's why we have video games!

[Kazan]

i'm at work

[Blue Lion]

....

That's why we have

http://www.widro.com/throwpaper.html

 

[aldo_14]

it makes me feel better

And look worse.

Your choice, I guess.

[Ford Prefect]

Okay, we're getting our wires crossed now.

I think we're all clear that sexual conduct with a sixteen-year-old is not the same as pedophilia. However, regardless of whether we consider this "normal" or not, it is a fallacy to look at this as a "subset of homosexuality", because this implies that it's a characteristic of a specific sexual orientation. If a 52-year-old man were caught having sex with a 16-year-old girl, we would not be having the discussion of whether his behavior was a "subset of heterosexuality". This hypothetical man was probably heterosexual, but that doesn't matter, because the concern is over the fact that the girl was sixteen. Likewise, Foley may be homosexual, but when Newt Gingrich argues that if they had removed him they would have been accused of gay-bashing, he is the one who makes it an issue of homosexuality, and not about age-related sexual misconduct.

[Kazan]

bingo

even if foley is gay, the gender of pedophilia victims is unreleated to the sexual orientation of the offender

that's a FACT, if a certain someone wants to disagree they can do a study and write a paper for the journal of Pediatrics.

[Bobboau]

it's more a matter of definition, if a guy is attracted to little boys but not little girls then they are both a pedophile and either gay or bisexual.

this is pertenent to the fact that they are atracted to members of the same sex, they are, by definition, either gay or bi.

I can accept that the gay aspect of there sexuality is linked solely to the pedophile aspect, but the word homosexual means "same sex", you cannot say that they are are not gay/bi if they are atracted to boys. the only way you could is if you redefine the word homosexual to mean something other than what the latan means. if you have tests of gayness that show you are 100% not gay, and yet you are atracted to childeren of your gender, then that test must be specificly geared to filter that out. for instance instead of asking "are you atracted sexualy to people of the same gender" it would say "are you atracted sexualy to adults of the same gender".

it's like saying up is down because you're inside a house, the two are on totaly diferent dimentions.

[Kazan]

you still don't understand - they're not attracted to them because they're BOYS - it just happens that they are boys, they're attracted to them because they're prepubescent.


gah.... i'm sick and tired of arguing with people who don't understand medical and psychological distinctions.

[Ford Prefect]

it's more a matter of definition, if a guy is attracted to little boys but not little girls then they are both a pedophile and either gay or bisexual.

this is pertenent to the fact that they are atracted to members of the same sex, they are, by definition, either gay or bi.

I can accept that the gay aspect of there sexuality is linked solely to the pedophile aspect, but the word homosexual means "same sex", you cannot say that they are are not gay/bi if they are atracted to boys. the only way you could is if you redefine the word homosexual to mean something other than what the latan means. if you have tests of gayness that show you are 100% not gay, and yet you are atracted to childeren of your gender, then that test must be specificly geared to filter that out. for instance instead of asking "are you atracted sexualy to people of the same gender" it would say "are you atracted sexualy to adults of the same gender".

it's like saying up is down because you're inside a house, the two are on totaly diferent dimentions.

Nobody's arguing that he's not gay, and we've already established that being attracted to a 16-year-old is not pedophilia, despite the fact that acting on such an attraction is ethically questionable and usually illegal. The original argument was that it's infantile to make this an issue of homosexuality, because the sex of the kid has nothing to do with it, even if you do consider it pedophilia.

Honestly, I hate it when Kazan loses his temper but sometimes I understand his frustration.

[Bobboau]

ok, what if I rephrase it, a guy who is attracted to little girls only is heterosexual, in addition to being a pedophile.

there is no link between sexual orientation and pedophelia, but gender preference is gender preference.

[Ford Prefect]

I don't know enough about sexual psychology to judge whether that's a sensible description or not. I'm pretty sure that gender preference is a minority characteristic among pedophiles. Whether that says anything about the ones who do have a gender preference, I don't know. My only point was that with regards to Congressman Foley, it's a non-issue.

And that Newt Gingrich is a ****head.

[Bobboau]

yes

[Kazan]

ok, what if I rephrase it, a guy who is attracted to little girls only is heterosexual, in addition to being a pedophile.

there is no link between sexual orientation and pedophelia, but gender preference is gender preference.

then you're STILL wrong - because gender preference of the perpretator and the sex of their victims is unrelated

[Bobboau]

only if you have defined it as such (and in a way that diverges from the linguistic meaning of the word/phrase)

[Aardwolf]

But gender preference for this type of relationship is related to the gender of the person.

And learn to distinguish between pedophilia and ephebophilia, people.