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Offline Kazan

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kohlberg's theory of moral reasoning
as the textbook i have in my hands states it (human development, ninth edition - papalia, wendkos-olds, feldman)

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Level 1: Preconventional morality.
People act under external controls.  They obey rules to avoid punishment or reap rewards, or act out of self-interest.  This level is typical of children ages 4 to 10.

Level 2: Conventional morality (or morality of conventional role conformity)
PEople have internalized the standards of authority figures.  They are concerned about geing "good," pleasing others, and maintaining the social order.  his level is typically reached after age 10; many people never move beyond it, even in adulthood.

Level 3: Postventional morality (or morality of autoomous moral principles)
People now recognize conflicts between moral standards and make their own judgements on the basis of principles of right, fairness, and justice.  People generally do not reach this level of moral reasoning until at least arly adolesence, or more commonly in young adulthood, if ever.

I postulate that most social conservatives are mired in Level 2 thinking, while most social liberals have attained level 3 reasoning.

Do you agree?

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or if not that much different - conservatives tend to stick to level III: stage 5 if they attain level 3, and liberals tend to use level III: stage 6 more often
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kohlberg's_stages_of_moral_development
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Re: kohlberg's theory of moral reasoning
the "principles of right, fairness, and justice." are different.
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Re: kohlberg's theory of moral reasoning
in my expirience most conservatives i have spoken to are incapable of recognizing when to "morals" are in conflict with each other - thus there are not in level 3
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Re: kohlberg's theory of moral reasoning
I wonder if they're capable of recognizing bait threads

 

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Re: kohlberg's theory of moral reasoning
I wonder if they're capable of recognizing bait threads

just because you assume i am trolling does not mean that i am - i am reading my pyschology textbook right now and i came across kohlberg's theory - which was described in detail - in my textbook in my studying for my test

if you do not wish to stay on subject, then please be my guest and leave this thread
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Re: kohlberg's theory of moral reasoning
You're taking what's in your psychology textbook and twisting it to apply to political groups.  Giving one the higher ground over the other when they are both obviously on level one.  :p
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Re: kohlberg's theory of moral reasoning
You're taking what's in your psychology textbook and twisting it to apply to political groups. 

twisting it? it's a theory about moral reasoning - one of the biggest differences between the two dominate political groups in the united states is their moral reasoning - i don't see how you can classify it was "twisting"

Giving one the higher ground over the other when they are both obviously on level one.  :p

i have a feeling the "level" you're talking about isn't one of kohlberg's levels
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Re: kohlberg's theory of moral reasoning
I'll give this one 3 pages.  :snipe:
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Re: kohlberg's theory of moral reasoning
That's sad.  I'm on level 3.  No wonder nobody likes me!

My friends are mostly on level 1, with some on 2.

 

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Re: kohlberg's theory of moral reasoning
how old are you?
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Re: kohlberg's theory of moral reasoning
See, the whole concept of morality is mired down in superstition and belief in an above-human authority. The key here is that the authority, morality, is above the level of the individual. It doesn't have to be God it can be a secular concept of "society", it's identity, traditions and so on, which dictates morality.

For example honour. Why is it good to be honourable and bad to be dishonourable? If you accept the primacy of personal morality - that every person is free to determine his own code of right and wrong, than both are equal. As are many other things, indeed all moral questions. The whole attempt to poke and prod morality, to stand up to the boogeyman of "ancient moralism" and do cute little analysis studies - is first of all people inventing clever devices by which they prove to themselves they are better than the great unwashed masses, and secondly it is involving the intellect where it does not belong. The peasant's morality, ignorant and traditional, is a valid as anyone's. I think that what what I believe is right because I believe it. If I think gays are the scourge of the Earth, telling me with self-righteous pride that I'm stupid and wrong is attempting to impose a uniform moral standard, the very same thing the "free-spirits" cry foul about. If you say "tolerance is king" and then add "except for those who choose not to be tolerant", I don't see how that constitutes a valid arguement.

The above theory is just a way for people to feel good about themselves, "Wee, I'm a free spirit unlike those brutish old rednecks who are trying to impose fascist morality on my freedom". I say bull****. "Liberals", and the word is absurd for a number of reasons but I'm using it for the sake of expediency, are just as perfectly conformist as anyone else. So you say you listen to NPR, read philosophy and buy fair-trade coffee. Astounding. Just like fifty million others. The fact that you think that there are two sharply distinct, opposite cultures in America, the good "liberals" and evil "conservatives", one of which you take to be self-evidently superiror (naturally the group you consider yourself a part of), kind of puts the lie to your claim of being a totally un-conventional thinker, free from the prejudices of your surroundings.

In today's environment, an Amish is a more rebellious figure than your perfect free-spirited, enlightened, educated liberal. You assume that conformity means only conformity to traditional beliefs, so the more piercings you have and the more Sartre you read, the more free you are. But it cuts both ways. A loud, rude, un-enlightened, nationalist who beats his wife and hasn't read two books in his life is very un-conformist, given that the prevailing trend in Western society today is to mimic as perfectly as possible that educated, enlightened, tolerant, prosperous middle-class guy. His is more free in his morality and less of a conformist than your typical non-conformist.

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Re: kohlberg's theory of moral reasoning
This one is kind of funny

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Level 3: Postventional morality (or morality of autoomous moral principles)
People now recognize conflicts between moral standards and make their own judgements on the basis of principles of right, fairness, and justice.

Or, to translate: People now reject the tastiness of pizza, and instead prefer to create their own dish made up of dough, cheese, sauce and pepperoni

 

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Re: kohlberg's theory of moral reasoning
that was off topic, off based, factually incorrect and showed a total lack of understanding of the question at hand.

your self-aggrandizing angsty wannabie "deep-philosophical" lectures are a waste of time, please keep them out of my threads
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Re: kohlberg's theory of moral reasoning
You forgot something this time Kazan...

*gives Kazan his boat*

Sorry, I figured since u were out fishing, you should have your boat to keep above the "lesser human intelects" that  are so below you, your talents, and your absolutely perfect morals.

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Re: kohlberg's theory of moral reasoning
if the trolls don't stop posting in this thread by then, i'll start contacting administrators
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*makes motorboat sounds with lips*

 

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Re: kohlberg's theory of moral reasoning
I don't claim to know much about Kohlberg or psychology in general, but Stage 6 sounds like just a regurgitation of Kant's "thing-in-itself".
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Re: kohlberg's theory of moral reasoning
really FP?

PS: UT keep begging for a monkeying and the admins will oblige you - you've been told not to troll my threads
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Re: kohlberg's theory of moral reasoning
You do the same to mine.

Anyway, I'm out. Have fun listening to people's opinions and then promptly ignoring them.

  

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Re: kohlberg's theory of moral reasoning
To be fair, although this sounds all very interesting, most modern psychology is just a bunch of self-righteous bullsh*t. In this I agree with Feynman.
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