[Kosh]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15424638/


The decide to celebrate with more riots.

[Nuclear1]

When are Europeans going to learn that you don't celebrate riots with riots?  Do holidays the American way--get madly drunk until you forget what the day was all about.  Silly continent.

[Janos]

When are Europeans going to learn that you don't celebrate riots with riots?  Do holidays the American way--get madly drunk until you forget what the day was all about.  Silly continent.

Go to Scandinavia sometime. Or Germany or Eastern Europe. Then be ashamed for your countrymen. Or Britain.

I'd go ahead and say that silly Americans' drinking habits are just perversed copies of European drinking habits, brought along by those who once left their lands and sailed beyond the Deep Blue Sea and now their blood has grown weak and their numbers few in the dim light of the

[Bobboau]

The rioting was fueled by anger at France’s failure to offer equal opportunities to ... France’s 5 million-strong Muslim population.

"we came to your country and you didn't give us stuff, HOW DARE YOU NOT GIVE US STUFF!!! oh we are so rioting till you give us stuff!"

[IceFire]

When are Europeans going to learn that you don't celebrate riots with riots?  Do holidays the American way--get madly drunk until you forget what the day was all about.  Silly continent.

How do you get drunk in the states?  I can't find any beer above 2%.

[Unknown Target]

Try Cruzan Rum - it's 120 proof, you can't take it on a plane

[Nuclear1]

When are Europeans going to learn that you don't celebrate riots with riots?  Do holidays the American way--get madly drunk until you forget what the day was all about.  Silly continent.

How do you get drunk in the states?  I can't find any beer above 2%.

It's not the quality of the beer you drink--it's the quantity. Binge! Binge! Binge! Binge!

[vyper]

Erm, no.

[Nuclear1]

Oh, I'm afraid so.

[vyper]

Your fear seems to be stealthy. Like moose.

[Nuclear1]

I am moose.

[Mefustae]

When are Europeans going to learn that you don't celebrate riots with riots?  Do holidays the American way--get madly drunk until you forget what the day was all about.  Silly continent.

Or Fireworks. Fireworks are also good.

"Celebrate the birth of your country by blowing up a small part of it."

[Ghost]

When are Europeans going to learn that you don't celebrate riots with riots?  Do holidays the American way--get madly drunk until you forget what the day was all about.  Silly continent.

How do you get drunk in the states?  I can't find any beer above 2%.

Solution? Don't drink beer. Drink liquor.

[Sandwich]

The rioting was fueled by anger at France’s failure to offer equal opportunities to ... France’s 5 million-strong Muslim population.

"we came to your country and you didn't give us stuff, HOW DARE YOU NOT GIVE US STUFF!!! oh we are so rioting till you give us stuff!"

Don't even bother. Most of the rest of this board chooses to see the rioting as completely and utterly disconnected from the Muslim angle. *shrugs*

[aldo_14]

That's because most of this board doesn't believe in lazily sectarian blame games played for the purposes of demonizing a group of people and instead likes to look at the cold, hard realities of immigration-caused schisms, class division & inequality of both treatment and opportunity, and racism.  It's easy to go 'Muslim savages', because we can abdicate any responsibility we feel for holding onto supersticious prejudices about people of a different culture or skin colour.

Kind of like how anarchist riots at G8 conferences are seen as disconnected from Christianity (y'know, because they're mostly by white europeans and north americans, so they must be all Christians - right?).

[Bobboau]

'we are going to do the exact polar opposite of what our ancestors did out of ignorance, because if thinking everyone who is diferent is bad means that your ignorant, then thinking everyone diferent that you is good means you are learned.'

[aldo_14]

'making up strawman arguments is a sign of idiocy'

[Nuclear1]

That's because most of this board doesn't believe in lazily sectarian blame games played for the purposes of demonizing a group of people and instead likes to look at the cold, hard realities of immigration-caused schisms, class division & inequality of both treatment and opportunity, and racism.  It's easy to go 'Muslim savages', because we can abdicate any responsibility we feel for holding onto supersticious prejudices about people of a different culture or skin colour.

Kind of like how anarchist riots at G8 conferences are seen as disconnected from Christianity (y'know, because they're mostly by white europeans and north americans, so they must be all Christians - right?).

How about the "cold, hard realities" that the majority of the rioters were Muslims?  Not saying that radical Islam had anything to do with it, or that it's some terrorist plot to take over France, but it's worth noting.

[aldo_14]

That's because most of this board doesn't believe in lazily sectarian blame games played for the purposes of demonizing a group of people and instead likes to look at the cold, hard realities of immigration-caused schisms, class division & inequality of both treatment and opportunity, and racism.  It's easy to go 'Muslim savages', because we can abdicate any responsibility we feel for holding onto supersticious prejudices about people of a different culture or skin colour.

Kind of like how anarchist riots at G8 conferences are seen as disconnected from Christianity (y'know, because they're mostly by white europeans and north americans, so they must be all Christians - right?).

How about the "cold, hard realities" that the majority of the rioters were Muslims?  Not saying that radical Islam had anything to do with it, or that it's some terrorist plot to take over France, but it's worth noting.

I'm guessing the majority were also young, immigrant / immigrant-descended, living in council estates, unemployed with low income... etc.  I'd like to add I love the phrase

Though a majority of the youths committing the acts are Muslim, and of African or North African origin, the mayhem has yet to take on any ideological or religious overtones

Why don't we see that little bit of phrasology when riots are by mainly Christian whites?

But, as I said, it's piss easy to blame religion for riots.  Because religion is the one cause you can cite and then do precisely **** all about to remove and still be safe. 

Some of the poorest, most socially excluded and deprived people in France were African-Immigrant Muslims, and they rioted.  Why pick 'muslim' from that list of characteristics?  Why not black?  Why not immigrant, or poor, or unemployed?  Oh, right.... it's not good TV or media.

[NGTM-1R]

Well, they were expressly motivated by the French government's treatment of those of Islamic religious leanings. Since the French have decided to ban most methods of expressing that affilition.

There was an article on it in Foreign Affairs this month (I happen to have a copy for a paper). The French government has really made a mess of handling their immigration issues, and the riot wasn't enough to wake them up; they went and made a bigger hash of it instead.

The French need a freedom of religion clause somewhere, for their own safety.