[Bobboau]

I would want something spectacular that would make all the people watching feel bad about doing it, so I could give a nice "how are you better than me!!!". speech right before the seven headed genetically modified sea cucumber ate me.

[Nuke]

in response to everything anon said:

its not what crimes you commit, its who you piss off in the process

[kode]

Is hanging an acceptable way to execute a human being nowadays?

No.

i disagree, a properly conducted drop-hanging at the gallows is probibly more humane than a botched electricution or laying strapped to a table for 20 minutes while a large quantity of liquid is pumped into your veins. the gas chamber is probibly the best of the worst, youre breathing corrosive gas for several minutes and youre done.

and that makes it acceptable how?

there's also not 12 in a dozen of correctly conducted hangings either. most of the time the executed chokes to death instead of getting their neck broken.

then there's that that Saddam would've been convicted of killing ****ing Jesus.

[aldo_14]

I'm surprised anyone thinks there's some sort of desire or interest to make execution humane.  The closest there is, is a desire to make it look just humane enough to hide the nature of it as state-sanctioned and performed murder, whilst making it just visible enough to satisfy the public bloodlust.

[Herra Tohtori]

Being exploded could be arguably the fastest way to die.

TNT collar FTW.


...or not.

[Mefustae]

Straddling a nuclear bomb upon detonation ftw! If you've got to go out, you might as well take everyone to hell with you!!

[NGTM-1R]

most of the time the executed chokes to death instead of getting their neck broken.

Bah. It's a science: weight of subject, velocity, how much force you need to snap a neck, how long of a rope you need.

[Nuke]

Is hanging an acceptable way to execute a human being nowadays?

No.

i disagree, a properly conducted drop-hanging at the gallows is probibly more humane than a botched electricution or laying strapped to a table for 20 minutes while a large quantity of liquid is pumped into your veins. the gas chamber is probibly the best of the worst, youre breathing corrosive gas for several minutes and youre done.

and that makes it acceptable how?

there's also not 12 in a dozen of correctly conducted hangings either. most of the time the executed chokes to death instead of getting their neck broken.

then there's that that Saddam would've been convicted of killing ****ing Jesus.

my argument wasnt weather or not capital punishment was moral. i just wanted to make a point that some of the morally acceptable means of execution are in fact worse than older tried and true ways, such as drop hanging. im not at all concerned with the ethics of capital punishment. i certainly dont think that it is good for anyone to lock criminals up and let em rot at the public's expense. the budget for any prison should be zero. the prisoners should either be done away with immediately or be incarcerated in a self-suffieteint prison system.

prisoners should be expected to earn a living just like the rest of us. i dont think being a violent anti-social assole exepmts somone from having to work for their keep.  im pretty sure there are a number of prisons in the us that make more money than they spend (which feeds back into the prison system to improve conditions for prisoners and lesson the burden on the tax paying public as well). i think it is cruel to force prisoners who are scheduled for execution to sit in a prison cell for years before sentance is carried out. if youre gonna waste a man you at least should have the decency to do it immidiately and with as little suffering on the part of the one being executed.

that said its important to know that executions, of any kind , are not always 100% bug free. humans are just not that easy to kill. there are a million things that can go wrong. to make matters worse of the execution equipment was improvised or outdated. theyre just arent many engineers that do this kind of stuff. i dont like to thump sources, but if you look at any list of statistics involving failure rates of different types of executions (failure meaning the person being executed is forced to endure a level of suffering outside the limits of what is considered acceptable), youl probibly note that the worst ways to die are the ones we use the most, and that hanging is amont the perfered means of execution.

[Herra Tohtori]

Bah. It's a science: weight of subject, velocity, how much force you need to snap a neck, how long of a rope you need.

Unfortunately, the bolded part of the equation can only be determined by an empiric test, which is of course impossible to commit without actually breaking the person's neck, in which case hanging is no longer necessary... Someone may have stronger neck than others, and then that person will end up suffocating.

For punishment purposes, death sentence doesn't make any sense. It is only justified by will for vengeance. It's not actually a punishment at all if you think about it.

[Nuke]

there is actually a table that exocutioners use to referene drop lenght to body weight. if this is followed then theres a good chance the execution will be successfull. this table is an least a couple hundred years old, but sence the physics they used to calculate the table are the same ones we use now, it doesnt make much a difference. you might however revise the table to take other detaild into consideration, such as the width and build of the neck or the rope thickness for example. most failed hangings are usually because of stuff like not properly weighing the prisoner, using the wrong kind of rope, or perhaps the prison offitials do something intintionally to make em suffer more.

[Herra Tohtori]

This is a great thread.

[TrashMan]

Is hanging an acceptable way to execute a human being nowadays?

Depends on how you do it. If you do it right hang's just a quick snap of the neck and lights out. Do it wrong with too short a rope and it's death by suffocation. Normally the intent is to do it right, but sometimes somebody screws it up.

I tend to disagree with that. Your neck snaps and you are practicly paralizyed, but your brain is still very much alive, atleast for some time untill the oxigen in it runs dry.

The best death is by swallowing a lot of sleeping pills. You die piecefulyl in your sleep

[Mefustae]

Wait, so the verdict comes a few short days before the US Mid-term Elections! Coincidence? I think not!!

[Colonol Dekker]

I know, they've had nearly/over (i forget which ) 3 years to toast his naughty-personage.

[Nuke]

Is hanging an acceptable way to execute a human being nowadays?

Depends on how you do it. If you do it right hang's just a quick snap of the neck and lights out. Do it wrong with too short a rope and it's death by suffocation. Normally the intent is to do it right, but sometimes somebody screws it up.

I tend to disagree with that. Your neck snaps and you are practicly paralizyed, but your brain is still very much alive, atleast for some time untill the oxigen in it runs dry.

The best death is by swallowing a lot of sleeping pills. You die piecefulyl in your sleep

yea right. i tried that once, i remember raving like a madman at all the hallucinations all night long, im suprised the cops didnt get me. seriously i was worshiping stray cats and calling forth satan, not a good way to execute people

[Aardwolf]

'Live on Fox!'...

"Do you want to know more?"

Too lazy to read anything past page one, but... am I the only one who got the reference?

[kode]

Is hanging an acceptable way to execute a human being nowadays?

No.

i disagree, a properly conducted drop-hanging at the gallows is probibly more humane than a botched electricution or laying strapped to a table for 20 minutes while a large quantity of liquid is pumped into your veins. the gas chamber is probibly the best of the worst, youre breathing corrosive gas for several minutes and youre done.

and that makes it acceptable how?

there's also not 12 in a dozen of correctly conducted hangings either. most of the time the executed chokes to death instead of getting their neck broken.

then there's that that Saddam would've been convicted of killing ****ing Jesus.

my argument wasnt weather or not capital punishment was moral. i just wanted to make a point that some of the morally acceptable means of execution are in fact worse than older tried and true ways, such as drop hanging. im not at all concerned with the ethics of capital punishment. i certainly dont think that it is good for anyone to lock criminals up and let em rot at the public's expense. the budget for any prison should be zero. the prisoners should either be done away with immediately or be incarcerated in a self-suffieteint prison system.

prisoners should be expected to earn a living just like the rest of us. i dont think being a violent anti-social assole exepmts somone from having to work for their keep.  im pretty sure there are a number of prisons in the us that make more money than they spend (which feeds back into the prison system to improve conditions for prisoners and lesson the burden on the tax paying public as well). i think it is cruel to force prisoners who are scheduled for execution to sit in a prison cell for years before sentance is carried out. if youre gonna waste a man you at least should have the decency to do it immidiately and with as little suffering on the part of the one being executed.

that said its important to know that executions, of any kind , are not always 100% bug free. humans are just not that easy to kill. there are a million things that can go wrong. to make matters worse of the execution equipment was improvised or outdated. theyre just arent many engineers that do this kind of stuff. i dont like to thump sources, but if you look at any list of statistics involving failure rates of different types of executions (failure meaning the person being executed is forced to endure a level of suffering outside the limits of what is considered acceptable), youl probibly note that the worst ways to die are the ones we use the most, and that hanging is amont the perfered means of execution.

Yes (and/or) no.

[Colonol Dekker]

'Live on Fox!'...

"Do you want to know more?"

Too lazy to read anything past page one, but... am I the only one who got the reference?

No you're not, Federation YAY !

[Woolie Wool]

You know Flip, I wouldn't be surprised. Disgusted perhaps, but not surprised.

Bush propably declares the hanging day as national holiday, or something...

Sorry to burst your "BU$H!!!111" bubble, but the Iraqis decided on hanging. At least it beats the hell out of the traditional method of execution.

As for the trial itself it's worth pointing out that Saddam wasn't the only person on trial for the crime. As such even though everyone knew that Saddam was guilty and would be found as such the same thing can't be said about his co-defendants. In fact one of them was a aquitted. That alone makes the trial worth it.

I wasn't aware of that, thanks for bringing my attention to it. But regardless, for Saddam it was effectively a kangaroo trial, as any possible chance of aquitting him would have been hastily quashed by the US [forgive the cliche].

The evidence against Saddam is so overwhelming that there was never a question of what would happen to him.

[aldo_14]

The evidence against Saddam is so overwhelming that there was never a question of what would happen to him.

It'd be nice to have a transparent, fair and honest justice system, though.  We really need some sort of international court, one administered somewhere nice and usually neutral - maybe Holland - which can perform these trials to prevent the farce of show trials in the 'victim country'.  But where would we find such a thing?  Why does none exist?










Ah.